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05/20/2012 1:11 AM
blairboy wrote:What I don't understand is how a man who got told to NOT follow someone because he "thought they looked suspicious", follows the kid anyways with a gun, stalks him for a little while, apparently gets "attacked" by the kid, then shoots the kid and people say he did nothing wrong? The fuck is wrong with some people. Ok yes, apparently Tray attacked the guy...um...the guy was stalking him and following him around, isn't there a phone witness or a recording of Zimmerman yelling at him? The guy was hellbent on following the kid did something that he was told not to do (Like I pointed out makes the whole stand your ground thing void), and then ends up shooting the kid. From the history of we know of him, he's obviously not right in the head.
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05/22/2012 11:49 AM
Julez wrote:This article came out about Zimmerman. I find this very interesting considering the fact that he proclaims he is not a racist....Taken from http://blackstarnews.com/...CLE/8233/2012-05-22.htmlMuch has been written about the lacerations on the back of George Zimmerman's head and the reported broken nose. Not enough has been written about his reported hateful taunting of a co-worker of Middle Eastern ancestry. The co-worker reported the bullying to the authorities investigating Trayvon Martin's killing. This was part of the evidence disclosed by the State last week. The co-worker said Zimmerman constantly harassed him by portraying him as "Achmed The Dead Terrorist" a ghoulish puppet character created by a standup comedian. The co-worker said whenever he said anything at the workplace, Zimmerman would taunt him by saying "Noooo, I kill you.." or "I kill your family...." or "I bomb you.." in what Zimmerman imagined to be his attempt at a Middle Eastern accent. When the co-worker first complained to a manager he says he was told Zimmerman was "just playing with" him. It was was no laughing matter to the co-worker, who is not identified by the authorities --for obvious reasons. He said he felt so tormented that he actually considered beating up Zimmerman -- that he weighed the benefit against the cost before deciding against it. The incompetent managers obviously couldn't even place themselves in the shoes of an employee of Middle Eastern ancestry to imagine how he must have felt to be referred to as a "terrorist" on a daily basis at the workplace. The former co-worker said he was close to "snapping" as a result of the constant taunts and humiliations. At meetings, in the presence of other employees, whenever he said something Zimmerman would say "Noooo!" (as in "Nooo, I kill you!"). The co-worker says he simply stopped talking. Clearly, other co-workers and managers at that work establishment will be able to help the state draw a fuller picture of Zimmerman when his case for the murder of Trayvon Martin goes to trial. Zimmerman was later fired after making too many calls to Human Resources, complaining about the managers whom he claimed didn't know how to do their job -- he seemed to be a serial complainer, given his multiple calls also to Sanford Police complaining about "suspicious" Black males.The co-worker also says Zimmerman would not have approached the "victim" if he was 250 pounds. This is not surprising -- Zimmerman knew what he was doing when he approached Trayvon Martin: he could tell that he significantly outweighed the teenager. This is the MO of most bullies --rarely do they pick on people their own size. Zimmerman was good at deception, the former co-worker said. "He's such a convincing guy," the former co-worker said of Zimmerman -- so much so that when he met with management to explain away his taunting of the co-worker, he sounded so credible that even the co-worker started doubting himself. (Mind you this is the same man who, much later, went into hiding after killing Trayvon Martin then started raising money on his website by making appeals tailored to attract racist groups to contribute. Soon after his arrest, he appeared in court in a suit and tie, belying his earlier tilt towards the racists out there via his website). Zimmerman's behavior towards the co-worker, when combined with his apparent animus towards Black males -- judging by the dozens of 911 calls he made to Sanford Police to complain about "suspicious" Black males in the neighborhood, including in one case, a boy aged between seven and nine-- leaves a disturbing impression. On the night of the fateful encounter with Trayvon Martin, he added one more phone call to the 46 he had made in the past to the Sanford Police. He was told not to follow Trayvon, whom he'd told the authorities was suspicious. But, he had just told the dispatcher that the "assholes" always got away. It would not happen that night. Why would someone follow a "suspicious" Black man who could have been armed if indeed he was "suspicious"? What would embolden a person to follow the "suspicious" Black man? Zimmerman knew that he had a gun with him. Zimmerman is the one who walked away alive from that evening's encounter.
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05/22/2012 12:58 PM
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05/22/2012 1:54 PM
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JayneOC wrote:People are so pressed to paint Zimmerman as some evil man that common sense is thrown out the window. Just because Zimmerman got out of the car doesn't mean he killed Trayvon in cold blood. It doesn't mean he attacked first (the act of getting out of a car and questioning Trayvon is NOT an attack). It doesnt mean he didnt shoot because he was in fear for his life. Should he be charged with a crime? Depends on your point of view but no way should he have been charged with more than manslaughter. The higher charge is a mistake and will set Zimmerman free.
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05/22/2012 2:10 PM
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joey is a teapot wrote:JayneOC wrote:People are so pressed to paint Zimmerman as some evil man that common sense is thrown out the window. Just because Zimmerman got out of the car doesn't mean he killed Trayvon in cold blood. It doesn't mean he attacked first (the act of getting out of a car and questioning Trayvon is NOT an attack). It doesnt mean he didnt shoot because he was in fear for his life. Should he be charged with a crime? Depends on your point of view but no way should he have been charged with more than manslaughter. The higher charge is a mistake and will set Zimmerman free. You need to get George Zimmerman's dick out of your mouth and come back into the real world, ma'am.
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Zimmerman was fired in 2008 for filing too many complaints about managers and co-workers. Another woman called police to say Zimmerman was confrontational and “does not like black people.”
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05/22/2012 5:44 PM
I think that what happened was manslaughter at the most. George Zimmerman didn't get out of his car with the intent of killing anyone and no amount of people screaming how he's an evil murderer will change my opinion on that (unless there's some great unknown evidence out there that we hear later). The prosecutor's over-reaching to satisfy people screaming for the blood of Zimmerman (like so many here at the jjb) is going to get him off. No jury with a brain will find him guilty of murder.
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05/22/2012 5:50 PM
JayneOC wrote:joey is a teapot wrote:JayneOC wrote:People are so pressed to paint Zimmerman as some evil man that common sense is thrown out the window. Just because Zimmerman got out of the car doesn't mean he killed Trayvon in cold blood. It doesn't mean he attacked first (the act of getting out of a car and questioning Trayvon is NOT an attack). It doesnt mean he didnt shoot because he was in fear for his life. Should he be charged with a crime? Depends on your point of view but no way should he have been charged with more than manslaughter. The higher charge is a mistake and will set Zimmerman free. You need to get George Zimmerman's dick out of your mouth and come back into the real world, ma'am.Oh please. Just because I didn't jump on the "George Zimmerman is an evil man who murdered Trayvon Martin in cold blood" bandwagon doesn't mean I have his dick in my mouth. Thanks for the visual by the way (yuck). Weirdly, I like to wait for evidence before I find someone guilty of a crime like murder. Weird concept in the world of the media instantly finding someone guilty.I think that what happened was manslaughter at the most. George Zimmerman didn't get out of his car with the intent of killing anyone and no amount of people screaming how he's an evil murderer will change my opinion on that (unless there's some great unknown evidence out there that we hear later). The prosecutor's over-reaching to satisfy people screaming for the blood of Zimmerman (like so many here at the jjb) is going to get him off. No jury with a brain will find him guilty of murder.
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05/22/2012 6:22 PM
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Ease Your Mind wrote:As for him belonging or not belonging in the neighborhood... He was staying with the owner of the home in that neighborhood. He absolutely belonged there. But I guess, according to someone like Zimmerman, since it wasn't the ghetto, there's just no way he should be walking there. And I feel that his injuries are very suspect.
05/22/2012 6:27 PM
MissDivaDoll wrote: I don't know why you cannot admit that this boy is dead simply because George Zimmerman couldn't sit his ass in his truck and wait for the cops to show up, whom he called. Had he waited, the cops would have been there, they could have assessed whatever situation he felt was present and diffused the situation. George Zimmerman is responsible for that kids murder and showed malice and caued intentional harm to that kid. And no amount of blathering about the prosecutor that you do is gonna change anyones opinion on that.
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05/23/2012 2:24 PM
Posted: 05/23/2012 12:10 pm Updated: 05/23/2012 12:10 pm
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George Zimmerman's self-defense claim could be hurt by his own witnesses, who have changed their accounts since they were interviewed early on in the Trayvon Martin case.
The Orlando Sentinel reported that four witnesses' statements regarding the Feb. 26 shooting changed significantly when they were interviewed a second time in March. The statements are included in the collection of evidence officially released by the State Attorney's Office last week.
Here is an overview of the key changes in their accounts, as reported by the Sentinel.
Witness 2A young woman who lives in the Retreat at Twin Lakes community, where Trayvon was shot, was interviewed twice by Sanford police and once by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.She told authorities that she had taken out her contact lenses just before the incident. In her first recorded interview with Sanford police four days after the shooting, she told lead Investigator Chris Serino, "I saw two guys running. Couldn't tell you who was in front, who was behind."She stepped away from her window, and when she looked again, she "saw a fistfight. Just fists. I don't know who was hitting who."A week later, she added a detail when talking again to Serino: During the chase, the two figures had been 10 feet apart.That all changed when she was reinterviewed March 20 by an FDLE agent. That time, she recalled catching a glimpse of just one running figure, she told FDLE Investigator John Batchelor, and she heard the person more than saw him."I couldn't tell you if it was a man, a woman, a kid, black or white. I couldn't tell you because it was dark and because I didn't have my contacts on or glasses. … I just know I saw a person out there."Witness 12A young mother who is also a neighbor in the town-home community never gave a recorded interview to Sanford police, according to prosecution records released last week. She first sat down for an audio-recorded interview with an FDLE agent March 20, more than three weeks after the shooting.During that session, she said she saw two people on the ground immediately after the shooting and was not sure who was on top, Zimmerman or Trayvon."I don't know which one. … All I saw when they were on the ground was dark colors," she said.Six days later, however, she was sure: It was Zimmerman on top, she told trial prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda during a 21/2-minute recorded session."I know after seeing the TV of what's happening, comparing their sizes, I think Zimmerman was definitely on top because of his size," she said.Witness 6This witness lived a few feet from where Trayvon and Zimmerman had their fight. On the night of the shooting, he told Serino he saw a black man on top of a lighter-skinned man "just throwing down blows on the guy, MMA-style," a reference to mixed martial arts.He also said the one calling for help was "the one being beat up," a reference to Zimmerman.But three weeks later, when he was interviewed by an FDLE agent, the man said he was no longer sure which one called for help."I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk," he said.He also said he was no longer sure Trayvon was throwing punches. The teenager may have simply been keeping Zimmerman pinned to the ground, he said.He did not equivocate, though, about who was on top."The black guy was on top," he said.Witness 13He is important because he talked with Zimmerman and watched the way he behaved immediately after the shooting, before police arrived.After this neighbor heard gunfire, he went outside and spotted Zimmerman standing there with"blood on the back of his head," he told Sanford police the night of the shooting.Zimmerman told him that Trayvon "was beating up on me, so I had to shoot him," the witness told Serino. The Neighborhood Watch captain then asked the witness to call his wife, Shellie Zimmerman, and tell her what happened.In two subsequent interviews about a month later — one with an FDLE investigator and one with de la Rionda — the witness described Zimmerman's demeanor in greater detail, adding that he spoke as if the shooting were no big deal.Zimmerman's tone, the witness said, was "not like 'I can't believe I just shot someone!' — it was more like, 'Just tell my wife I shot somebody …,' like it was nothing."Those witnesses are likely to be interviewed at least once more before Zimmerman's trial. Defense attorneys in Florida routinely question witnesses under oath as they prepare for trial.
A young woman who lives in the Retreat at Twin Lakes community, where Trayvon was shot, was interviewed twice by Sanford police and once by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
She told authorities that she had taken out her contact lenses just before the incident. In her first recorded interview with Sanford police four days after the shooting, she told lead Investigator Chris Serino, "I saw two guys running. Couldn't tell you who was in front, who was behind."
She stepped away from her window, and when she looked again, she "saw a fistfight. Just fists. I don't know who was hitting who."
A week later, she added a detail when talking again to Serino: During the chase, the two figures had been 10 feet apart.
That all changed when she was reinterviewed March 20 by an FDLE agent. That time, she recalled catching a glimpse of just one running figure, she told FDLE Investigator John Batchelor, and she heard the person more than saw him.
"I couldn't tell you if it was a man, a woman, a kid, black or white. I couldn't tell you because it was dark and because I didn't have my contacts on or glasses. … I just know I saw a person out there."
Witness 12
A young mother who is also a neighbor in the town-home community never gave a recorded interview to Sanford police, according to prosecution records released last week. She first sat down for an audio-recorded interview with an FDLE agent March 20, more than three weeks after the shooting.
During that session, she said she saw two people on the ground immediately after the shooting and was not sure who was on top, Zimmerman or Trayvon.
"I don't know which one. … All I saw when they were on the ground was dark colors," she said.
Six days later, however, she was sure: It was Zimmerman on top, she told trial prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda during a 21/2-minute recorded session.
"I know after seeing the TV of what's happening, comparing their sizes, I think Zimmerman was definitely on top because of his size," she said.
Witness 6
This witness lived a few feet from where Trayvon and Zimmerman had their fight. On the night of the shooting, he told Serino he saw a black man on top of a lighter-skinned man "just throwing down blows on the guy, MMA-style," a reference to mixed martial arts.
He also said the one calling for help was "the one being beat up," a reference to Zimmerman.
But three weeks later, when he was interviewed by an FDLE agent, the man said he was no longer sure which one called for help.
"I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk," he said.
He also said he was no longer sure Trayvon was throwing punches. The teenager may have simply been keeping Zimmerman pinned to the ground, he said.
He did not equivocate, though, about who was on top.
"The black guy was on top," he said.
Witness 13
He is important because he talked with Zimmerman and watched the way he behaved immediately after the shooting, before police arrived.
After this neighbor heard gunfire, he went outside and spotted Zimmerman standing there with"blood on the back of his head," he told Sanford police the night of the shooting.
Zimmerman told him that Trayvon "was beating up on me, so I had to shoot him," the witness told Serino. The Neighborhood Watch captain then asked the witness to call his wife, Shellie Zimmerman, and tell her what happened.
In two subsequent interviews about a month later — one with an FDLE investigator and one with de la Rionda — the witness described Zimmerman's demeanor in greater detail, adding that he spoke as if the shooting were no big deal.
Zimmerman's tone, the witness said, was "not like 'I can't believe I just shot someone!' — it was more like, 'Just tell my wife I shot somebody …,' like it was nothing."
Those witnesses are likely to be interviewed at least once more before Zimmerman's trial. Defense attorneys in Florida routinely question witnesses under oath as they prepare for trial.
This week, security video was released showing Trayvon Martin at a Sanford, Fla. 7-Eleven the night he died. The teen purchased a bag of Skittles and an Arizona iced tea, a short time before he was killed.
Zimmerman has been charged with shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on the evening of Feb. 26 in a gated community in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer called 911 and told a police dispatcher that the teen, who was returning from a trip to a nearby convenience store, "looked suspicious." After an altercation, Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest, subsequently telling local police that he acted in self-defense.
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