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05/19/2012 1:14 PM
MissDivaDoll wrote:I love how the article claims that Zimmermans parents claim the voice screaming for help is their sons, but fail to mention that Trayvons mother went on record as stating that the voice screaming WAS her son. There was also a professional voice analyzer who said that the voice was not Zimmerman. I also refuse to believe that in this day and age, that the FBI could fail to come up with a conclusive answer as to whose voice that is.
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05/19/2012 1:19 PM
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vivalavix wrote:Following someone in the dark with a gun is not normal behavior. Where's YOUR common sense?
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05/19/2012 1:20 PM
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IdDoJC100Ways wrote:. Also, at the beginning, they kept showing pictures of Trayvon in his nice school photo and whatnot and then pictures of Zimmerman at the police station after he had the shit beaten out of him. Nice media direction there. Make the kid look like a choir boy and Zimmerman look like a thug. This kids was not the poster child for good behavior.
05/19/2012 1:21 PM
IdDoJC100Ways wrote:JayneOC wrote:Should Zimmerman have gotten out of the car? Maybe not, but I 100% do not believe he got out of that car with the intention of killing Trayvon. Calling him a "monster" is just ridiculous. Trying to paint him as a cold blooded killer is ridiculous. In my opinion, he was a man with good intentions (watching out for his neighborhood) that led to a situation he did not expect (fighting with and killing someone). The evidence that is now released certainly shows this - he didn't just stand there and shoot Trayvon. This wasn't cold-blooded murder. The prosecutor gave in to public pressure when she charged him with more than manslaughter. The charges against him are wrong and over-reach big time. That's why he won't be found guilty. That's exactly the problem here, especially given the nature of Florida's laws. If the jury finds any ounce of evidence that Zimmerman was defending himself then he will be acquitted according to the laws of the State of Florida. Not according to any moral base or anything...the laws of the State of Florida. Based on what was posted above, I don't see a murder conviction on this at all. Hell, I'm not sure they could have even gotten manslaughter. People have to realize that what Zimmerman did (getting out of the car and following) might have been stupid and ill-advised, but it was not an illegal activity. Zimmerman clearly got the shit beaten out of him. Also, at the beginning, they kept showing pictures of Trayvon in his nice school photo and whatnot and then pictures of Zimmerman at the police station after he had the shit beaten out of him. Nice media direction there. Make the kid look like a choir boy and Zimmerman look like a thug. This kids was not the poster child for good behavior. The prosecutor caved to media attention and all that is going to happen is a very large and very expensive trial for a man who will be found innocent and even more money will be spent when protestors riot after the fact. Nice job Florida.
JayneOC wrote:Should Zimmerman have gotten out of the car? Maybe not, but I 100% do not believe he got out of that car with the intention of killing Trayvon. Calling him a "monster" is just ridiculous. Trying to paint him as a cold blooded killer is ridiculous. In my opinion, he was a man with good intentions (watching out for his neighborhood) that led to a situation he did not expect (fighting with and killing someone). The evidence that is now released certainly shows this - he didn't just stand there and shoot Trayvon. This wasn't cold-blooded murder. The prosecutor gave in to public pressure when she charged him with more than manslaughter. The charges against him are wrong and over-reach big time. That's why he won't be found guilty.
05/19/2012 1:23 PM
IdDoJC100Ways wrote:You can both say what you want, but he will be found innocent based on the laws of the State of Florida. The prosecutor succumbed to media pressure to prosecute this case. This case should not be going to trial on the facts. Trayvon was seen sitting on top of Zimmerman hitting away at him. Unless that witness is totally discredited in trial, Zimmerman will go free. Again, not because I personally think that justifies shooting the kid, but because the laws of the State of Florida allow for the killing of a man just for feeling threatened. Zimmerman isn't a poster boy for good behavior either, but nonetheless, he will go free, there will be protests, there will be property damage when the verdict comes down and this will all be a mess because the prosecutor succumbed to the media attention and not the freakin laws of the State of Florida as they're written.
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05/19/2012 2:06 PM
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05/19/2012 2:11 PM
blairboy wrote:IdDoJC100Ways wrote:. Also, at the beginning, they kept showing pictures of Trayvon in his nice school photo and whatnot and then pictures of Zimmerman at the police station after he had the shit beaten out of him. Nice media direction there. Make the kid look like a choir boy and Zimmerman look like a thug. This kids was not the poster child for good behavior. Did you miss all the photos the Conservative Media tried to post of Trayvon? They basically tried to make him into a little pot smoking black thug, even going as far as using photos of him that wasn't even him.
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05/19/2012 3:57 PM
JayneOC wrote:People are so pressed to paint Zimmerman as some evil man that common sense is thrown out the window. Just because Zimmerman got out of the car doesn't mean he killed Trayvon in cold blood. It doesn't mean he attacked first (the act of getting out of a car and questioning Trayvon is NOT an attack). It doesnt mean he didnt shoot because he was in fear for his life. Should he be charged with a crime? Depends on your point of view but no way should he have been charged with more than manslaughter. The higher charge is a mistake and will set Zimmerman free.
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05/19/2012 4:13 PM
LifesBetterBlonde wrote:JayneOC wrote:People are so pressed to paint Zimmerman as some evil man that common sense is thrown out the window. Just because Zimmerman got out of the car doesn't mean he killed Trayvon in cold blood. It doesn't mean he attacked first (the act of getting out of a car and questioning Trayvon is NOT an attack). It doesnt mean he didnt shoot because he was in fear for his life. Should he be charged with a crime? Depends on your point of view but no way should he have been charged with more than manslaughter. The higher charge is a mistake and will set Zimmerman free. I can't believe this is serious...
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05/19/2012 5:51 PM
lilSS wrote:While I think that the 2nd degree murder charge is trumped up, he may get convicted. And just because Zimmerman didn't attack first, Jayne, how exactly would you respond if some stranger, who isn't law enforcement is basically stalking you and questioning you while you're walking alone, at night? While he may not have attacked first, his actions can definitely be viewed as threatening and menacing. The only thing I would've done differently is call the cops, but he was a kid and most kids don't think in a logical manner, but I dang sure would've been looking for an opening to defend myself in the face of a perceived threat. Im still trying to figure out why Zimmerman had his gun out the car? Just someone walking down the street that you don't think belongs isn't a good reason. It says to me he was itching to use it, especially because he could've stayed in his car to protect himself from a threat if Trayvon was indeed up to no good. I know many gun owners, who always have their guns and they say that they're never poised to use them unless they know their lives are in imminent danger. George's life wasn't in danger. He created this situation by not listening to instructions from dispatch and for getting out of his car with a gun to accost someone who wasn't thinking about him.
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05/19/2012 6:43 PM
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Blazermaniac wrote:MissDivaDoll wrote:I love how the article claims that Zimmermans parents claim the voice screaming for help is their sons, but fail to mention that Trayvons mother went on record as stating that the voice screaming WAS her son. There was also a professional voice analyzer who said that the voice was not Zimmerman. I also refuse to believe that in this day and age, that the FBI could fail to come up with a conclusive answer as to whose voice that is. According to the new evidence, Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son when he was played the tape.
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05/19/2012 6:49 PM
JayneOC wrote:vivalavix wrote:Following someone in the dark with a gun is not normal behavior. Where's YOUR common sense?Good lord. He was LEGALLY carrying a gun on his person. Not walking around with it in his hand stalking Trayvon while waiting to take a shot at him. Get real.
The night Trayvon Martin was shot to death, George Zimmerman was one of 1,903 residents in his Sanford ZIP code with permits to carry concealed handguns, state records show. That would be astronomically high in some states, but central Sanford doesn't rank in Central Florida's top 10 ZIP codes with the most concealed-weapons-permit holders. In that Sanford ZIP code, the figure translated to roughly 6 percent of adults 21 and older....Taking guns to work, church and play in Florida has become so widespread in the past 25 years that the state likely leads the U.S. in the number of residents legally carrying guns. With nearly 920,000 active concealed-weapons permits, the Sunshine State is home to almost as many gun dealers as its 2,300 citrus farms, according to state and federal records.SOURCE
That would be astronomically high in some states, but central Sanford doesn't rank in Central Florida's top 10 ZIP codes with the most concealed-weapons-permit holders. In that Sanford ZIP code, the figure translated to roughly 6 percent of adults 21 and older.
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Taking guns to work, church and play in Florida has become so widespread in the past 25 years that the state likely leads the U.S. in the number of residents legally carrying guns. With nearly 920,000 active concealed-weapons permits, the Sunshine State is home to almost as many gun dealers as its 2,300 citrus farms, according to state and federal records.
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05/19/2012 7:48 PM
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05/19/2012 8:19 PM
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MissDivaDoll wrote:Blazermaniac wrote:MissDivaDoll wrote:I love how the article claims that Zimmermans parents claim the voice screaming for help is their sons, but fail to mention that Trayvons mother went on record as stating that the voice screaming WAS her son. There was also a professional voice analyzer who said that the voice was not Zimmerman. I also refuse to believe that in this day and age, that the FBI could fail to come up with a conclusive answer as to whose voice that is. According to the new evidence, Trayvon's father said it wasn't his son when he was played the tape.And his mother still says it was him. She was quoted as saying "That's my babies voice." So who's right here? They need to get an voice analysis expert on this, because I don't believe for one second that that voice that was screaming came from Zimmerman. That sounded like the voice of a teenage boy.
05/19/2012 8:22 PM
Yeah Christianne wrote:JayneOC wrote:Should Zimmerman have gotten out of the car? Maybe not, but I 100% do not believe he got out of that car with the intention of killing Trayvon. Calling him a "monster" is just ridiculous. Trying to paint him as a cold blooded killer is ridiculous. In my opinion, he was a man with good intentions (watching out for his neighborhood) that led to a situation he did not expect (fighting with and killing someone). The evidence that is now released certainly shows this - he didn't just stand there and shoot Trayvon. This wasn't cold-blooded murder. The prosecutor gave in to public pressure when she charged him with more than manslaughter. The charges against him are wrong and over-reach big time. That's why he won't be found guilty. "Maybe not" is the wrong answer. The correct answer is "definitely not." He was in no danger whatsoever. His intention was to protect his neighborhood from what, black people? Because all black people in hoodies are there to commit crime?
05/19/2012 8:23 PM
britalicious wrote:what i don't get about the "stand your ground" law is, Trayvon was in his own neighborhood, too. walking home, minding his own business, when a man with a gun started following him and thinking he was causing trouble- and he defended himself.
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