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dogfoot75 wrote:This is a big issue, but I feel like women's right have become synonymous with abortion. That bothers me.
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the lakes slave wrote:Just because a bunch of nutso Republicans have lost their collective shit, doesn't mean much is actually going to end up happening. they do NOT represent the majority.
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I will be shocked at any woman who votes republican in the coming election.
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Alex the Goob wrote:I am thisclose to seriously considering leaving this country. I was talking to my mother about it earlier. I hate where we're going.
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SnoopyIma wrote:Wait, can someone explain number 4 to me
03/21/2012 10:03 AM
Kris3234 wrote: Prada4u, surprisingly plenty of women will vote Republican. There are many women who support and are even behind these laws. There is a Congresswoman named Cathy Mcmorris Rogers who stated there was no Republican war on women and that polls show that American women support their position on the "conscience clause".
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Semirhage626 wrote:SnoopyIma wrote:Wait, can someone explain number 4 to me4. Forcing women to undergo involuntary vaginal penetration (otherwise called rape) with a condom-covered, six- to eight-inch ultrasound probe. Pennsylvania is currently considering that option along with 11 other states. Trans-vaginal ultrasounds undertaken without a woman's consent are rape according to the legal definition of the word. This violates a woman's bodily integrity and also constitutes torture when used, as states are suggesting, as a form of control and oppression. Women have the right not to be raped by the state. ************More than one state has put forth or is considering a law which would require a highly invasive, vaginal ultrasound in order for women to receive types of basic medical care. In some cases, the vaginal ultrasound would be required before a woman who had miscarried could have a D&C to remove the dead fetus from her body. No medical association has said that there is any medical need for a vaginal ultrasound in that scenario, it's just a horrible torture to a woman who's already lost a child.
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yvettemarie21 wrote: Semirhage626 wrote: SnoopyIma wrote: Wait, can someone explain number 4 to me4. Forcing women to undergo involuntary vaginal penetration (otherwise called rape) with a condom-covered, six- to eight-inch ultrasound probe. Pennsylvania is currently considering that option along with 11 other states. Trans-vaginal ultrasounds undertaken without a woman's consent are rape according to the legal definition of the word. This violates a woman's bodily integrity and also constitutes torture when used, as states are suggesting, as a form of control and oppression. Women have the right not to be raped by the state. ************More than one state has put forth or is considering a law which would require a highly invasive, vaginal ultrasound in order for women to receive types of basic medical care. In some cases, the vaginal ultrasound would be required before a woman who had miscarried could have a D&C to remove the dead fetus from her body. No medical association has said that there is any medical need for a vaginal ultrasound in that scenario, it's just a horrible torture to a woman who's already lost a child. I think this one is a bit strange. I had to have one of these ultrasounds 10 years ago for a D&C and the only part that was remotely horrible was having to drink water to fill my bladder. But it was either that or a catheter. I would hardly consider it torture.
Semirhage626 wrote: SnoopyIma wrote: Wait, can someone explain number 4 to me4. Forcing women to undergo involuntary vaginal penetration (otherwise called rape) with a condom-covered, six- to eight-inch ultrasound probe. Pennsylvania is currently considering that option along with 11 other states. Trans-vaginal ultrasounds undertaken without a woman's consent are rape according to the legal definition of the word. This violates a woman's bodily integrity and also constitutes torture when used, as states are suggesting, as a form of control and oppression. Women have the right not to be raped by the state. ************More than one state has put forth or is considering a law which would require a highly invasive, vaginal ultrasound in order for women to receive types of basic medical care. In some cases, the vaginal ultrasound would be required before a woman who had miscarried could have a D&C to remove the dead fetus from her body. No medical association has said that there is any medical need for a vaginal ultrasound in that scenario, it's just a horrible torture to a woman who's already lost a child.
SnoopyIma wrote: Wait, can someone explain number 4 to me
03/21/2012 10:46 AM
Heather125 wrote:yvettemarie21 wrote: Semirhage626 wrote: 4. Forcing women to undergo involuntary vaginal penetration (otherwise called rape) with a condom-covered, six- to eight-inch ultrasound probe. Pennsylvania is currently considering that option along with 11 other states. Trans-vaginal ultrasounds undertaken without a woman's consent are rape according to the legal definition of the word. This violates a woman's bodily integrity and also constitutes torture when used, as states are suggesting, as a form of control and oppression. Women have the right not to be raped by the state. ************More than one state has put forth or is considering a law which would require a highly invasive, vaginal ultrasound in order for women to receive types of basic medical care. In some cases, the vaginal ultrasound would be required before a woman who had miscarried could have a D&C to remove the dead fetus from her body. No medical association has said that there is any medical need for a vaginal ultrasound in that scenario, it's just a horrible torture to a woman who's already lost a child. I think this one is a bit strange. I had to have one of these ultrasounds 10 years ago for a D&C and the only part that was remotely horrible was having to drink water to fill my bladder. But it was either that or a catheter. I would hardly consider it torture. I wouldn't say it's torture either, but it's medically unnecessary (as far as I know) and just another step in trying to change the woman's mind.
yvettemarie21 wrote: Semirhage626 wrote: 4. Forcing women to undergo involuntary vaginal penetration (otherwise called rape) with a condom-covered, six- to eight-inch ultrasound probe. Pennsylvania is currently considering that option along with 11 other states. Trans-vaginal ultrasounds undertaken without a woman's consent are rape according to the legal definition of the word. This violates a woman's bodily integrity and also constitutes torture when used, as states are suggesting, as a form of control and oppression. Women have the right not to be raped by the state. ************More than one state has put forth or is considering a law which would require a highly invasive, vaginal ultrasound in order for women to receive types of basic medical care. In some cases, the vaginal ultrasound would be required before a woman who had miscarried could have a D&C to remove the dead fetus from her body. No medical association has said that there is any medical need for a vaginal ultrasound in that scenario, it's just a horrible torture to a woman who's already lost a child. I think this one is a bit strange. I had to have one of these ultrasounds 10 years ago for a D&C and the only part that was remotely horrible was having to drink water to fill my bladder. But it was either that or a catheter. I would hardly consider it torture.
Semirhage626 wrote: 4. Forcing women to undergo involuntary vaginal penetration (otherwise called rape) with a condom-covered, six- to eight-inch ultrasound probe. Pennsylvania is currently considering that option along with 11 other states. Trans-vaginal ultrasounds undertaken without a woman's consent are rape according to the legal definition of the word. This violates a woman's bodily integrity and also constitutes torture when used, as states are suggesting, as a form of control and oppression. Women have the right not to be raped by the state. ************More than one state has put forth or is considering a law which would require a highly invasive, vaginal ultrasound in order for women to receive types of basic medical care. In some cases, the vaginal ultrasound would be required before a woman who had miscarried could have a D&C to remove the dead fetus from her body. No medical association has said that there is any medical need for a vaginal ultrasound in that scenario, it's just a horrible torture to a woman who's already lost a child.
03/21/2012 10:48 AM
I also don't understand the part "without the woman's consent" and comparing it to rape. Doctors/ultrasound techs are ordering these and forcing the woman down while they perform them?
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03/21/2012 10:49 AM
the lakes slave wrote:Yes, and only with Republicans (as far as I know from the stories I know of)
03/21/2012 10:50 AM
LisaChasez wrote: I also don't understand the part "without the woman's consent" and comparing it to rape. Doctors/ultrasound techs are ordering these and forcing the woman down while they perform them?The issue is that it's medically unnecessary to have one before an abortion. The laws are trying to make it necessary, therefore allowing the STATE to shove a wand up your cooch for no medical reason.
03/21/2012 10:53 AM
yvettemarie21 wrote:When I had mine it was explained that it looked like there was remaining tissue which was found during the pelvic exam and then the ultrasound was used to verify before they went in. I also don't understand the part "without the woman's consent" and comparing it to rape. Doctors/ultrasound techs are ordering these and forcing the woman down while they perform them?I'm ALL for reproductive rights and all that jazz...I just think this one (from what little I have read) is taking things a little far.
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