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12/05/2010 5:45 PM
SharrywasBanned wrote:Geaux Mo Jeaux wrote:SharrywasBanned wrote:Wait, if he didn't say those things, would he be allowed back in with the NFL? As if he had a choice in the matter. Case closed.Actually the CBS interview was done before he was back in the NFL, and the ESPN one was done a few weeks ago. Is it so hard to believe that the guy may actually be genuinely sorry? Um, he is under agreements with the NFL and other agencies to do certain things in order to justify being allowed back in the NFL.You can argue with me all you want, at the end of the day I am just not supportive of a man who did such heartless and disgusting acts, and you are. I can live with that.
Geaux Mo Jeaux wrote:SharrywasBanned wrote:Wait, if he didn't say those things, would he be allowed back in with the NFL? As if he had a choice in the matter. Case closed.Actually the CBS interview was done before he was back in the NFL, and the ESPN one was done a few weeks ago. Is it so hard to believe that the guy may actually be genuinely sorry?
SharrywasBanned wrote:Wait, if he didn't say those things, would he be allowed back in with the NFL? As if he had a choice in the matter. Case closed.
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12/05/2010 5:47 PM
Mistress Darcy wrote:Have you lot seen the pictures of his dogs? I felt sick to my stomach when I saw them. I couldn't look at all of them-I do remember one practice where it is common for people who fight dogs to get a puppy or smaller dog and then tie their mouths shut and rip out their claws. Then, they throw them in the ring with a full grown pit and prod the pit into tearing the smaller dog or puppy to shreds while the dog is still alive. If the dog is still alive afterward they just let them lay there and bleed to death slowly. It is to train the pit to kill and attack. They take away what little defense a small dog or puppy might have so that it won't hurt their investment (the pit). And I am the crazy bad person for not throwing myself at Vick and screaming about how I forgive and love him now. Strange world-sometimes I cannot make sense of it.
Have you lot seen the pictures of his dogs? I felt sick to my stomach when I saw them.
Ferris Bueller Youre My Hero wrote:Actually he had to do certain things as a condition of coming back into the NFL and staying there. Including volunteering at shelters, donating to shelters, making speeches about how wrong what he did was, other community service, etc, etc. He's a very unemotional guy in front of the press. Sure maybe if this was TO he'd be crying like a little girl but who is to say he hasn't spent many nights crying about it in the privacy of his own home?
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12/05/2010 5:48 PM
SharrywasBanned wrote:Ferris Bueller Youre My Hero wrote:WTF what? He was rich - doesn't mean that the people he was doing it with were as rich as he was and there is a lot of money in it. Who says the rich don't want to be richer?? I can't talk about this anymore because it's not penetrating with you at all. You can have your opinions but if you think that he shouldn't play football go do some research on the hundreds of other athletes convicted of crimes (over the years) against humans who never had to even petition to come back to their respective leagues/teams. That's not an excuse or whatever you referred to it as before; you're singling out Vick because you don't even know what else goes on because you haven't even bothered to find out. No one even expected him to play again (they didn't think Goddell would let him back or that a team would sign him), or be a starting quarterback. He's taking full opportunity of the position he's been given and just because he made one terrible error in life doesn't mean he doesn't deserve that right. He has the right as does every other person in this country, celebrity/rich or not.Why do people with your mindset always resort to bringing up other douchebag atheletes who get a free pass? We are not talking about them are we? Make a topic about them and I will speak my opinions about them. You act like it's JUST Vick I have issues with. This topic IS ABOUT VICK, not anyone else. Good God.
Ferris Bueller Youre My Hero wrote:WTF what? He was rich - doesn't mean that the people he was doing it with were as rich as he was and there is a lot of money in it. Who says the rich don't want to be richer?? I can't talk about this anymore because it's not penetrating with you at all. You can have your opinions but if you think that he shouldn't play football go do some research on the hundreds of other athletes convicted of crimes (over the years) against humans who never had to even petition to come back to their respective leagues/teams. That's not an excuse or whatever you referred to it as before; you're singling out Vick because you don't even know what else goes on because you haven't even bothered to find out. No one even expected him to play again (they didn't think Goddell would let him back or that a team would sign him), or be a starting quarterback. He's taking full opportunity of the position he's been given and just because he made one terrible error in life doesn't mean he doesn't deserve that right. He has the right as does every other person in this country, celebrity/rich or not.
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SharrywasBanned wrote:So my opinions are holier than though but yours somehow are not? How so? You are trying to defend a dog killer while I am speaking about how I don't and yet I'm "superior"?
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12/05/2010 5:57 PM
SharrywasBanned wrote:Ferris Bueller Youre My Hero wrote:Actually he had to do certain things as a condition of coming back into the NFL and staying there. Including volunteering at shelters, donating to shelters, making speeches about how wrong what he did was, other community service, etc, etc. He's a very unemotional guy in front of the press. Sure maybe if this was TO he'd be crying like a little girl but who is to say he hasn't spent many nights crying about it in the privacy of his own home?That is my whole point. He HAD to do those things, does that mean his mindset is different in terms of it being wrong and disgraceful? if he had no conditions and di them anyways, THEN I'd have more respect for him and actually believe he regrets what he did not because of the consequences but because he realizes it was morally wrong.Military- Do you know how annoying it is to explain yourself over an over and certain people still don't get it?I only brought that example up to argue against the "he did his time" mentality. I wasn't comparing the crimes, WHAT PART OF THAT don't you get?
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AshleyJ22 wrote: What I don't understand is why people are so relentlessly judgmental. As if you'll never do something you'll regret. Yes, what he did was sick, and it sucks that he didn't have the sense to know that in the first place, but there comes a point where there's nothing he can do but learn and move on from it. I really don't see the point in holding this against him for eternity.But hey, if you choose to never forgive him, well... that's on you. But conversely, if other people can see the change he's made, believe he's sorry, and like that he's doing well, why should you care?
12/05/2010 5:58 PM
Ferris Bueller Youre My Hero wrote:SharrywasBanned wrote:Ferris Bueller Youre My Hero wrote:WTF what? He was rich - doesn't mean that the people he was doing it with were as rich as he was and there is a lot of money in it. Who says the rich don't want to be richer?? I can't talk about this anymore because it's not penetrating with you at all. You can have your opinions but if you think that he shouldn't play football go do some research on the hundreds of other athletes convicted of crimes (over the years) against humans who never had to even petition to come back to their respective leagues/teams. That's not an excuse or whatever you referred to it as before; you're singling out Vick because you don't even know what else goes on because you haven't even bothered to find out. No one even expected him to play again (they didn't think Goddell would let him back or that a team would sign him), or be a starting quarterback. He's taking full opportunity of the position he's been given and just because he made one terrible error in life doesn't mean he doesn't deserve that right. He has the right as does every other person in this country, celebrity/rich or not.Why do people with your mindset always resort to bringing up other douchebag atheletes who get a free pass? We are not talking about them are we? Make a topic about them and I will speak my opinions about them. You act like it's JUST Vick I have issues with. This topic IS ABOUT VICK, not anyone else. Good God. Because it's an example of how ill informed you are about other people who have committed crimes yet you have no problem with them playing. It's hypocritical to say the very least. Your limited knowledge of other crimes committed coupled with your argument of why Vick shouldn't play basically negates everything you've said. It also shows how just because people knew MV, he gets all the flack. But no one cares that Donte Stallworth killed a man, got a month in jail and he was suspended for a year but now plays like nothing ever happened. That's a human being he killed. A person with a family and no one even talks about it. It's completely relevant to this topic because people continue to alienate Vick when he not the only person in the NFL (or any league) that has been convicted of a terrible crime.
SharrywasBanned wrote:MilitaryIV wrote:oh and sharry, for someone who shows so much compassion for dogs i cant believe you dont have the ability to forgive. like i said earlier, some of yall are acting like it was your dog being foughtI forgive people who I feel deserves forgiveness and who prove unselfishly they have no motive to show they are sorry for their crimes.I don't forgive Vick simply because he is a good athlete, like many do.
MilitaryIV wrote:oh and sharry, for someone who shows so much compassion for dogs i cant believe you dont have the ability to forgive. like i said earlier, some of yall are acting like it was your dog being fought
12/05/2010 6:01 PM
Geaux Mo Jeaux wrote:SharrywasBanned wrote:Ferris Bueller Youre My Hero wrote:vivalavix wrote:And those who brutally murder animals for fun are usually sociopaths or some other mental disorder. Okay this may be true but I think the whole thing comes to money for these people, not the joy of killing the animals. Regardless, comparing someone who abuses animals and someone who abuses CHILDREN is illogical. WTF? He was rich as fuck already.Making excuses for animal murders doesn't do anything to prevent child/human murderers/molesters. It actually enables it. I simply don't think he should be able to play football again and I'm being called names. That is pathetic. He filed bankruptcy and is in a lot of debt so he's not rich as fuck. Why shouldn't he be able to play football? That is his career.
SharrywasBanned wrote:Ferris Bueller Youre My Hero wrote:vivalavix wrote:And those who brutally murder animals for fun are usually sociopaths or some other mental disorder. Okay this may be true but I think the whole thing comes to money for these people, not the joy of killing the animals. Regardless, comparing someone who abuses animals and someone who abuses CHILDREN is illogical. WTF? He was rich as fuck already.Making excuses for animal murders doesn't do anything to prevent child/human murderers/molesters. It actually enables it. I simply don't think he should be able to play football again and I'm being called names. That is pathetic.
Ferris Bueller Youre My Hero wrote:vivalavix wrote:And those who brutally murder animals for fun are usually sociopaths or some other mental disorder. Okay this may be true but I think the whole thing comes to money for these people, not the joy of killing the animals. Regardless, comparing someone who abuses animals and someone who abuses CHILDREN is illogical.
vivalavix wrote:And those who brutally murder animals for fun are usually sociopaths or some other mental disorder.
vivalavix wrote:TYCP Sha wrote:Have you lot seen the pictures of his dogs? I felt sick to my stomach when I saw them.Huge warning. You shouldn't have given people the benefit of a spoiler, they'll just scroll right by it.
TYCP Sha wrote:Have you lot seen the pictures of his dogs? I felt sick to my stomach when I saw them.Huge warning.
12/05/2010 6:02 PM
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SharrywasBanned wrote:MilitaryIV wrote:SharrywasBanned wrote:I forgive people who I feel deserves forgiveness and who prove unselfishly they have no motive to show they are sorry for their crimes.I don't forgive Vick simply because he is a good athlete, like many do. please stop saying this. this is not a valid point at all. this would only apply to 1/32 of football fans. the rest of us root against vick cause he isnt our qb. Haha, what? Every single person I know in my life who supports Vick and excuses his crimes do so in the name of football, and that is it. Don't give me some BS statistic you made up.
MilitaryIV wrote:SharrywasBanned wrote:I forgive people who I feel deserves forgiveness and who prove unselfishly they have no motive to show they are sorry for their crimes.I don't forgive Vick simply because he is a good athlete, like many do. please stop saying this. this is not a valid point at all. this would only apply to 1/32 of football fans. the rest of us root against vick cause he isnt our qb.
SharrywasBanned wrote:I forgive people who I feel deserves forgiveness and who prove unselfishly they have no motive to show they are sorry for their crimes.I don't forgive Vick simply because he is a good athlete, like many do.
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12/05/2010 6:24 PM
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whitgirl09 wrote: Because most felons (was it a felony?) and such don't get their jobs back after such a crime....granted he doesn't have a normal "job". But playing football isn't a right.
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