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02/14/2010 1:27 PM
samantha m wrote:NsYnC FaN 364 wrote:TXbeauty wrote:But if it is child porn, no REAL children were hurt and it is therefore fantasy Are you really trying to justify child porn? Please tell me I read that wrong.I can't believe people on here think that its cool to watch cartoons of kids getting raped. WTF is wrong with people? Real or not, its depicting someone screwing a CHILD. If you like that stuff, you need help. This dude got what he deserved, IMOi am not cool about this,it s bad all the way but i still think there is a huge difference between cartoon and the real movie.like there is a huge difference between you killing a person on a video game and the real thing!
NsYnC FaN 364 wrote:TXbeauty wrote:But if it is child porn, no REAL children were hurt and it is therefore fantasy Are you really trying to justify child porn? Please tell me I read that wrong.I can't believe people on here think that its cool to watch cartoons of kids getting raped. WTF is wrong with people? Real or not, its depicting someone screwing a CHILD. If you like that stuff, you need help. This dude got what he deserved, IMO
TXbeauty wrote:But if it is child porn, no REAL children were hurt and it is therefore fantasy Are you really trying to justify child porn? Please tell me I read that wrong.
But if it is child porn, no REAL children were hurt and it is therefore fantasy
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02/14/2010 1:33 PM
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TXbeauty wrote:I understand protecting your First Amendment rights, but when do you draw the line? Can you draw a line? I think if someone is thinking, drawing and reading about children in sexual situations deep down they may want to act on that fantasy. In that same vein, women (and men) fantasize about rough sex and maybe even rape. Rape is a crime as well. Sometimes you read and imagine stuff so much it can translate into real desires that need to be fulfilled. That's when it gets hairy for me. Someone will read this stuff and attempt to harm a child.
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02/14/2010 1:37 PM
NsYnC FaN 364 wrote:No, i completely agree as far as that goes. I was a HUGE GTA fan. But there are so many movies and games etc. that deal with shooting. Also, half the country believes that War is the answer to all of our problems, (which I don't agree with). So shooting games are a little different. Notice in video games there are never people shooting and killing children. There are just some things you don't mess with as far as entertainment goes and thats doing anything bad to children. For the people arguing that Anime porn makes everyone look younger than they are supposed to be, that may be true, but I guarantee that if the girl was wearing a tshirt that said "I'm over 18," 95% of the creeps that watch it wouldn't be able to get off. They ENJOY the fact that it looks like a 12 year old girl.
02/14/2010 1:42 PM
makesJCadjustHisbuttonfly wrote:NsYnC FaN 364 wrote: TXbeauty wrote: But if it is child porn, no REAL children were hurt and it is therefore fantasy Are you really trying to justify child porn? Please tell me I read that wrong.I can't believe people on here think that its cool to watch cartoons of kids getting raped. WTF is wrong with people? Real or not, its depicting someone screwing a CHILD. If you like that stuff, you need help. This dude got what he deserved, IMOI've never seen these cartoons before but if it does have children getting raped and bestiality then yeah this guy should be in jail. Did you see how many he had?! I'm sorry but that's just wrong.
NsYnC FaN 364 wrote: TXbeauty wrote: But if it is child porn, no REAL children were hurt and it is therefore fantasy Are you really trying to justify child porn? Please tell me I read that wrong.I can't believe people on here think that its cool to watch cartoons of kids getting raped. WTF is wrong with people? Real or not, its depicting someone screwing a CHILD. If you like that stuff, you need help. This dude got what he deserved, IMO
TXbeauty wrote: But if it is child porn, no REAL children were hurt and it is therefore fantasy Are you really trying to justify child porn? Please tell me I read that wrong.
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02/14/2010 2:02 PM
une reine wrote:A lot of manga has characters who are younger than 18, but I think the American versions tone down all the sex and crap. Weren't Sailor Jupiter and Venus lovers in the Japanese version of Sailor Moon? But I'm going to read the article now.
02/14/2010 2:05 PM
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02/14/2010 2:18 PM
MissDivaDoll wrote: Here's my thing though. I certainly think watching videos of raping children is wrong, but from a legal standpoint, what did this guy do?-None of the videos depicted real children. They are cartoon drawings/animations. -This guy has no history of ever having inappropriately touched and/or raped a child. If his collection actually had real children in them, I would agree with the jail time but it wasn't and as of right now, this guy has not done anything wrong legally. In certain peoples eyes sure because they think the stuff is gross, but that's not against the law.
In recent years, much attention has been given to the presence and availability of child pornography on the Internet. Laws such as the Child Online Protection Act (47 U. S. C. §231) and the Children's Internet Protection Act (47 U.S.C. § 254) outlaw child pornography and cover new media such as websites and other online forms of child porn.
http://criminal-law.freea...hild-pornography-law.htm
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Obviously back in 1986, the "Dost factors" could only relate to photographs, video and depictions of real children. Back in that day, the internet, these comic books and who knows what else, probably weren't even thought of a possibility. Now, with publishing, Photoshop and similar programs, digitally created minors (and other "characters," so to speak) are easily produced. As with most laws, the 1986 ruling and definitions have to be looked at and have to be applied to a constantly advancing world. Every day we are inundated with newer and brighter ideas, with a technology that advances faster than we can even demand it to.
I think he was tried convicted justly. I would hope his lawyer put up a decent fight, but in this case, I think the prosecution was the underdog. As I said, the 1986 ruling has a strict definition, since it seems that it can only be applied to a real person, a minor. But, we don't live in a world like that anymore. With the two acts that were mentioned in the quoted text, the government and others are seeing that more has to be done to protect the welfare of every child, especially in this digital age. Creating the two acts helps the legal system bridge that gap that was created in 1986. Does it mean they have to go after digitally created minors, yes. Are these characters in a comic book? Does it seem silly to go after a cartoon? Yes and yes.
That last bit to the Dost case, "and whether the image is intended to elicit a sexual response in its consumer or viewer" is probably the most damning. Couple that with both acts' intention to "outlaw child pornography and cover new media such as websites and other online forms of child porn" and the prosecution had its case. And with this, just because the videos did not depict real children does not mean there isn't a problem. Let's face it, a sexual scene in a porn or porn-like movie is meant to illicit some type of response from the viewer. And using a child, real or digitally produced, to attain said response is unacceptable.
02/14/2010 2:23 PM
02/14/2010 2:27 PM
MissDivaDoll wrote: Your spoiler tag doesn't work. And what I should have said was that it shouldn't be against the law. That's my opinion. What the actual law is regarding all of this, I'm not completely familiar with. Thanks for the info though.
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02/14/2010 5:06 PM
GrungeChild wrote:MissDivaDoll wrote: Your spoiler tag doesn't work. And what I should have said was that it shouldn't be against the law. That's my opinion. What the actual law is regarding all of this, I'm not completely familiar with. Thanks for the info though. I noticed; I tried fixing it but it seems to have other ideas. I'm of the opinion that it should, so we shall agree to disagree.
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02/14/2010 5:12 PM
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TiggerlovesCM wrote:Please. I do not think fantasy will lead to doing. Are we gonna start locking up people who play GTA because they MIGHT not pay their hooker and then beat her up? Or they MIGHT start shooting people? What about people who play the FPS sniper games? Will we lock them up cause playing a sniper might not be enough? Its not right for this man to get JAIL time. Therapy fine. Not six months in jail.
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02/14/2010 5:42 PM
chocolate covered raisins wrote:TiggerlovesCM wrote:Please. I do not think fantasy will lead to doing. Are we gonna start locking up people who play GTA because they MIGHT not pay their hooker and then beat her up? Or they MIGHT start shooting people? What about people who play the FPS sniper games? Will we lock them up cause playing a sniper might not be enough? Its not right for this man to get JAIL time. Therapy fine. Not six months in jail. That is how it begins. Convicted rapers have even admitted it. Did anyone watch the Oprah special last week? Every single one of those guys said it started out as fantasy. And they said if you are fantasizing about children to get help ASAP because it can lead to you acting out. And to say looking at kiddie porn is the same as playing video games is ridiculous. Those games are about violence, not sexual fantasies about children. They just arrested the boy who killed and raped Somer Thompson...and guess how they caught him? His roommates were smart enough to turn him in since they noticed kiddie porn on his computer. Only sick people look at that. Edit: This guy basically needs to find a new hobby that way he doesn't get labeled as something if he isn't really into that stuff.
02/14/2010 5:43 PM
chocolate covered raisins wrote:That is how it begins. Convicted rapers have even admitted it. Did anyone watch the Oprah special last week? Every single one of those guys said it started out as fantasy. And they said if you are fantasizing about children to get help ASAP because it can lead to you acting out. And to say looking at kiddie porn is the same as playing video games is ridiculous. Those games are about violence, not sexual fantasies about children. They just arrested the boy who killed and raped Somer Thompson...and guess how they caught him? His roommates were smart enough to turn him in since they noticed kiddie porn on his computer. Only sick people look at that. Edit: This guy basically needs to find a new hobby that way he doesn't get labeled as something if he isn't really into that stuff.
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02/14/2010 5:49 PM
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Ninido wrote:child porn is child porn. if he was 'against' it [child porn, raping kids.. what have you] then I dont' see any reason why he'd own it.
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