God knows best.
Did you ever believe the allegations against MJ?
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 LadyK81988 |
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Posts: 25579 (06/27/2009 1:00 PM) |
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Sweetie1384 |
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Posts: 15513 (06/27/2009 1:04 PM) |
ldl5112 wrote: Okay you got some good points BUT someone being different then everyone else doesn't make that person a child molester either. Everyone wants to say well he was weird, strange, what not, but I don't think he was a man either, I think there was still a child inside him , who wanted to do what children did while growing up, he never had a normal childhood, wasn't allowed to do anything a child should be able to do when they are a child. But like everyone has said, God only knows what really happened and so did Michael and those people who accused him. Sadly to say, people can go after people who are rich, but not totally there , and that may have happened to Michael, they may have taken advantage of the person he was, and thats not right, but then again maybe he did do that and if he did, I am sure he is paying for it, but I hate people will say well he did it because he was a weirdo. Thats sad. NOT EVERYONE is like everyone else, should everyone be judged for being different? Just saying. |
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RollerGirl19 |
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Posts: 11317 (06/27/2009 1:09 PM) |
Whether its true or not, there's a certain way to behave appropriately around other people's children and Michael chose not to.
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kariya the dog |
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Posts: 8866 (06/27/2009 1:10 PM) |
No.
I think he did sleep with children but not in a sexual sense. I think he just needed to be around them and really did suffer from the whole "Peter Pan" syndrome. The man was weird and I'm not even going to lie about that. I can't prove whether or not he did things but I just don't believe he did, at least not to the extent his accusers did. It also just annoys me when people forget the case where it was obvious the mother was just money hungry. I know someone who is labeled as a sexual offender for the rest of his life and he did not do it. The police know he didn't do it and was wrongfully accused. But his accuser (the father of the child, not the child herself) refused to back down. He kept pursuing and pursuing and the person I know just eventually gave in. He didn't have the money to continue to fight it and even if he won the case, the accuser would've just come back with something else. I know Michael had more money than the person I know but the point still stands. Sometimes you just have to give in even if you're innocent. |
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SuperComputer2000 |
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Posts: 2 (06/27/2009 1:49 PM) |
I really don't want to believe he was capable of molesting children but he fits the profile exactly.
Characteristics of a Pedophile : http://crime.about.com/od/sex/p/pedophile.htm Child grooming (how pedophiles target children): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming If you read the above characteristics and the methods abusers use to select and go after children it's a perfect match for everything Michael was known to do in his relationships with children. That isn't proof that he did molest children but unfortunately it seems more likely than not. |
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Tisa |
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Posts: 97 (06/27/2009 1:55 PM) |
I thought it was EXTREMELY inappropriate for someone his age to have sleepovers with children but I never believed he molested them. He was a kid in a grown
mans body. RIP, MJ. May you find the peace in death that you could not find in life.
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RollerGirl19 |
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Posts: 11325 (06/27/2009 2:07 PM) |
SuperComputer2000 wrote:These just sound like characteristics of a loser: "He has hobbies that are child-like such as collecting popular expensive toys, keeping reptiles or exotic pets, or building plane and car models." "Single or with few friends in his age group." |
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SuperComputer2000 |
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Posts: 3 (06/27/2009 2:21 PM) |
Single characteristics from the profile could just be those of a "loser" but Michael fits practically all of the characteristics not just an isolated
few. Including befriending children from troubled families, giving them lavish gifts and inviting them for sleepovers. Ordinary loser geeks living alone,
collecting comic books don't do that...
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Hard Rock Dazzles |
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Posts: 3050 (06/27/2009 2:23 PM) |
Yes.
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Ninido |
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Posts: 7023 (06/27/2009 2:26 PM) |
I never did/never have. I think his Peter Pan / Neverland issue came from his Dad being a major asshole and him being in the business since a young kid, and
I'm guessing Neverland / Peter Pan was his chance to 'escape.' And I think a lot of parents wanted to capitalize on his success and generousness.
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RollerGirl19 |
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Posts: 11327 (06/27/2009 2:28 PM) |
SuperComputer2000 wrote:I know, I was just making an observation. |
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dubjj07 |
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Posts: 2289 (06/27/2009 2:31 PM) |
SuperComputer2000 wrote: Once again his circumstances and his life were not typical, so you cannot necessarily say that the characteristics pointed to him being a molester. |
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Hazeleyed Honey |
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Posts: 5505 (06/27/2009 2:57 PM) |
I wish people made more research about the molestation cases. They tend to overlook the fact that in the first case, the dad was recorded saying he was going
to sabotage Michael's career to win big and that he put his son under a sedative to claim that MJ touched his penis.
The trial took was taking a huge toll on him and even the court proclaimed there was a lack of evidence and dismissed the case. Also, why did Jackson settle this with money? It was a decision made by his advisors, and it does not necessarily mean you are guilty. We will truly never know. But, I think people should do more research on the cases rather than make conclusions based off MJ's awkward and strange persona and behaviour or what they get from the media. |
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guesswhatelse |
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Posts: 26574 (06/27/2009 3:37 PM) |
Hazeleyed Honey wrote:It is also worth mentioning that documents filed as part of that first settlement were very clear language-wise in stating that Michael was in no way admitting guilt to the charges. In signing those papers and allowing them to be filed, Chandler's parents were agreeing that Michael was innocent of those charges. Abnormal is allegedly whatever goes against social norms, but who decides what is normal? People cried and fainted at the sight of him; his normal never looked like mine. It wouldn't be fair to say that Michael should have done what I (for example) would consider normal in order to be "normal" himself. |
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Annesync |
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Posts: 67 (06/27/2009 3:39 PM) |
I am not sure; I have read excellent articles both for and against this issue. But I think his behavior was out of line, and he was an adult whether he liked
it or not and should have known better.
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SuperComputer2000 |
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Posts: 4 (06/27/2009 4:08 PM) |
Hazeleyed Honey wrote:The parents were screwed up, no doubt. That's part of what made their children vulnerable to Michael Jackson to begin with though. The parents definitely tried to take advantage of the situation but that also doesn't mean that Michael never molested their children or any of the many others that slept over. If it was just one isolated accusation and Michael otherwise didn't strongly fit the profile then I would doubt his guilt but there were two formal accusations in addition to his being a perfect match to the typical characteristics of a pedophile. That still isn't incontrovertible proof he was a pedophile but it seems far more likely than not. |
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insomniachollie |
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Posts: 40331 (06/27/2009 4:28 PM) Best Fan Fic Writer '08 |
But the formal accusations are full of holes, inconsistencies and doubts over the motive behind them. The fact that there are two highly questionable
accusations isn't any better than there being one in isolation. If the second was a strong case, then that might add more credibility to the first. But
neither are.
As for the profile of a paedophile - any profiler worth their salt would warn you to be cautious in using profiles. They are a guideline only and are about tendencies, not hard and fast rules and tick boxes. |
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EndlessNameless |
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Posts: 3984 (06/27/2009 4:31 PM) |
June 2010 wrote: |
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rachaelthinksbeesareokay |
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Posts: 2426 (06/27/2009 5:57 PM) Grammar Cop '09
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I'm going to wait until a better source than awkwardstar.wordpress.com comes out before I change my mind.
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Sweetie1384 |
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Posts: 15515 (06/27/2009 6:35 PM) |
Lets Hug It Out wrote: Can you imagine what everyone would feel if this came out as the TRUTH? Those allegations may have been the cause of Michael's downfall also. If they did lie how could they live with themselves with ruining someone's life? These allegations WILL hurt someone for the rest of their life which it did to Michael... 
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