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Is scientology really that diff from other religions?

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DoesThatSparkle		#81	[-]
Posts: 2812 (06/25/2009 11:33 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	dannie9 wrote: simply do research and you will know how religions arent cults. in differing them there is a fine line btwn the 2. but there is still a line there. a separation many choose not to see You're not very bright.
Pliant Pineapple		#82	[-]
Posts: 45333 (06/25/2009 11:35 AM) Funniest JJBer '06 JJBer of the Year '07 Funniest JJBer '09 Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Well if you want to get all semantical-like about it, let's visit the first listed, most widely used definition of the word: Dictionary: cult (kŭlt) pronunciation Home > Library > Literature & Language > Dictionary n. 1. 1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader. 2. The followers of such a religion or sect. 2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual. 3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual. 4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease. 5. 1. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing. 2. The object of such devotion. 6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest. Most religions don't fall under that definition, and let's not get cute, #1 there is absolutely the definition that this thread/discussion is operating under. If you REALLY want to go over the definitions, three out of the six describe fanatical, unusual behavior, two describe your garden variety religion, and one gets artsy.
dannie9		#83	[-]
Posts: 5138 (06/25/2009 11:39 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	DoesThatSparkle wrote: dannie9 wrote: simply do research and you will know how religions arent cults. in differing them there is a fine line btwn the 2. but there is still a line there. a separation many choose not to see You're not very bright. i am bright enough to know that there is a difference and to know what that difference is
the lakes slave		#84	[-]
Posts: 62347 (06/25/2009 11:40 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	You're all kidding yourselves with that "Christianity isn't the same as Scientology!" garbage. It's all the same. They go about things differently, sure, but in the end people believe what they want to believe and it's all a crock, whether it's about magical virgins or aliens.
femme0622		#85	[-]
Posts: 1722 (06/25/2009 12:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	magnoliam wrote: Pliant Pineapple wrote: But I can't recall a true church that makes you pay money JUST TO WALK IN THE DOOR, pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to "level up" and find out the "super secret awesome truth of how this religion really works," secretly funds and runs all kinds of cover organizations (most true churchs are like OH HAI THIS IS A METHODIST THING!!) with the intent of not actually helping anyone, and you know, says that people are clams and shit. Every other true, long-established church/religion out there (with the exclusion perhaps of the Mormons, and that's a whole other debate I'm not getting into) is pretty open about what they believe in , and where you can find that info for free. None of the rest of them dole it out piecemeal for thousands and thousands of dollars. Hubbard was blatantly trying to make money off people and didn't care one whit about whether those people were happy and fulfilled; most true churches (however misguided you might think they are) aim to help people find faith, guidance, happiness and fulfillment. And many even extend that helping hand to those who aren't members of that church; $cientology would never, ever do that unless it involved getting money out of them. Some Christian churches are in it to make money. Like the televangelists. Televangelists are not churches; they are a single person. They can claim to be of a faith and then horribly misrepresent it for money; that doesn't mean they are representative in any way of your average church member or of the church's beliefs. This is all very well said and I agree with you 100% on each of your points Pliant, thanks Thanks, Pliant. Well said
babydtc23		#86	[-]
Posts: 7151 (06/25/2009 12:04 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Pliant Pinapple has summed it up best for me. The generalizations in this topic are running wild.
dannie9		#87	[-]
Posts: 5139 (06/25/2009 12:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	we gotta get some scientologists onto jjb and start recruiting ppl up
beklah324		#88	[-]
Posts: 23313 (06/25/2009 12:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	DoesThatSparkle wrote: No, this is a fact. Tell me how all religions are NOT cults? Cult: a system of religious beliefs and ritual - Websters dictionary I guess when I think of a cult, I think of Waco, TX; Peoples Temple; Heaven's Gate, etc... and I think about how they started, one person or a couple people who have an idea and convince other people of this idea and then how it escalates into mind control and in the end, death So it's hard to digest the idea that ALL religions are cults because I don't see that kind of time line in Christianity or Buddhism or whatever. But I was doing some reading and ended up on Wiki (yes I know, not a good source) and looked up "cult" and there was this paragraph... Many religions have been deeply influenced by charismatic leaders, such as Jesus, Martin Luther, Saint Francis of Assisi, John Calvin, Joseph Smith, etc. These leaders are either the central teacher and founder of the religion (e.g. Muhammad, Jesus, or Gautama) or reformers or prominent persons. Failed or violent new religions were also founded by charismatic leaders, such as Jim Jones. Very interesting to me. The idea that a lot of religions are influenced by one person, kind of like what I said above about what I thought a cult is. But again, when I think of a cult, I think of people who just don't think for themselves, they all huddle together and it's them versus the world. Maybe that's an awful way to look at it but that's what I think. I will say though, yes, there are a few of those people in Christianity and other religions, incapable of thinking for themselves and following 100% behind a pastor/father/priest or book. I have a couple like this in my family and it does kind of scare me, their thinking. As a Christian, I know that I'm looked upon by some as crazy because I believe in what they think to be a fictional person but I believe in what I believe for myself and no one else and I don't think I'm in a cult. I think for myself, I think outside the box, I don't think it is my place to force my beliefs on anyone, I don't think it is my place to think I'm above anyone because of what I believe in, I don't think that laws should be made in this country based on Christianity or any religion and really, I think of myself as more spiritual than religious. And now that I've probably made no sense and I wrote this almost an hour ago and forgot to click "post" I send this out and bid you adieu
rokhas1yummybumbum		#89	[-]
Posts: 14364 (06/25/2009 3:04 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	the lakes slave wrote: You're all kidding yourselves with that "Christianity isn't the same as Scientology!" garbage. It's all the same. They go about things differently, sure, but in the end people believe what they want to believe and it's all a crock, whether it's about magical virgins or aliens. Wow. You're so bitter.

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