MandsLB8 wrote:Ooook.....people don't want god taken off of money and out of the pledge in order to make everyone stop loving their god and doing whatever it is they do that is associated with their religion.
DoesThatSparkle wrote:
MandsLB8 wrote:What the hell are you talking about? Did you even read the topic being discussed? What you wrote has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed.
I'm not even going to say I care about this topic beause even if they did take it out of the pledge, nobody could stop me from praising and trusting God aloud. Nobody will ever take away my freedom of speech just because you don't love the God I do.
Besides the fact, I'd never even be so bold to tell anyone to stop praying and trusting in whatever it is they trust.
You asked if we thought "God" should be taken out and I said it doesn't matter to me, because even if it did- I would still say it.
Should "god" be taken out of our nations sayings?
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Posts: 9556 (05/24/2009 11:28 PM) Most Outspoken '08
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. While I do get what you mean about contradictions, that's also found on the other end of the argument. Not very "Christian" to do a lot of things people do, but they still do them. That is just as much a conditional thing; case in point, people are up in arms about gay marriage, but there are other things in the Bible that get swept under the rug and don't seem to matter because they are socially acceptable. I think the way I engage in the holidays is more "American" if anything... I dabble in different celebrations and am simply enjoying the designated time frame of the year in which I get to see family and friends.That's always a running thing in these discussions. It's so unfair to generalize all Christians in that way. All Christians are not Bible thumping bigots out to stifle anything that contradicts their own belief system. You're right...there are a lot of hypocrite Christians but it makes me sad to see so many people just lashing out against Christianity as a whole just because there are some animals out there that don't care about their behavior. |
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Posts: 4532 (05/24/2009 11:28 PM) |
Never once did I say that you should say them along with me. My reply to the thread was in response to the OP's original question. And I said, I don't
care if it is or if it isn't, because I'll always say it.
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Posts: 4533 (05/24/2009 11:32 PM) |
DoesThatSparkle wrote: Are you looking for an argument? You asked a question, I gave you the answer..even after you whined for three pages about people not elaborting.. and it's still not enough. |
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Posts: 14046 (05/24/2009 11:32 PM) |
Lo Timbalake wrote:God is God. It's all the same, whether you believe in Jesus Christ, Allah, or the "force" that something is out there, you believe in God. And how are Christians imposing prayer on people? That's a huge generalization to make. |
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Posts: 2193 (05/24/2009 11:32 PM) |
Dylishis wrote:Myself, and probably others included, don't lash out against christianity because of the people within the religion. I lash out at christianity because of the religion itself and what it teaches and says is right. The people who represent christianity have no bearing on my thoughts on the religion, but the ones that are constant walking contradictions are rather entertaining. |
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Posts: 2194 (05/24/2009 11:35 PM) |
MandsLB8 wrote:No, your opinion is completely fine...now that you've actually explained yourself. You didn't in your first post, or your second though, and made no sense until I questioned you and had you actually explain yourself. Now you have and it's a-ok. |
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Posts: 9877 (05/24/2009 11:35 PM) |
Dylishis wrote: I'm really sorry if I gave you the impression I judge all Christians based on fanatics. I assure you, I don't. I come from a very religious family, and most of my friends are very hardcore Christians (although they vary in specifics; some are Catholic, others are Protestant, and even others are non-denominational). That being said, none of my friends are of the opinion that I am wrong because I don't believe what they believe, just as I do not consider their beliefs incorrect. We respect each other's differences. As far as my reference to the contradictions, I was simply trying to make the point that no Christian is perfectly in line with what their beliefs say to do. It's just not possible; it's a very known value in the Christian religion that we are all considered sinners. Therefore, contradictions are inevitable. Despite my sisters' firm beliefs that I am not Christian because I had some "falling out with god" (which is not at all true!), I don't have any problems with the religion until people within it start thinking they are "right" and others are "wrong". Same as I don't have a problem with Islam, Judaism, or Hinduism. |
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Posts: 9878 (05/24/2009 11:37 PM) |
rokhas1yummybumbum wrote: |
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Posts: 14048 (05/24/2009 11:38 PM) |
DoesThatSparkle wrote:Love each other, treat others the way you want to be treated, don't kill, don't cheat, don't steal, don't covet, honor you parents, do not judge...yeah, why would anyone want to follow the teachings of Christianity.
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Posts: 9879 (05/24/2009 11:40 PM) |
rokhas1yummybumbum wrote: Nothing is that simple! Treating others as you want to be treated means respecting the validity of their beliefs and lifestyles as much as you want yours to be respected! And everyone judges-- it's natural and unavoidable. Not acting upon every judgment is one thing, but pretending not to judge it all is just nonsense. |
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Posts: 9558 (05/24/2009 11:43 PM) Most Outspoken '08
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Lord... Rok, go get you a bowl.
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Posts: 2196 (05/24/2009 11:43 PM) |
rokhas1yummybumbum wrote:Yes, because those are of course the teachings I'm talking about! I don't know if you're aware, but the bible talks about a lot more than just the stuff you listed, and a lot of it which I absolutely do not agree with, hence why I have a problem with christianity. That and the fact that I base my beliefs off of things that are scientific in nature, which is also why I have a problem with the bible and christianity.
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Posts: 5693 (05/24/2009 11:45 PM) |
MandsLB8 wrote:lulz |
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Posts: 14049 (05/24/2009 11:53 PM) |
DoesThatSparkle wrote:I'm pretty sure most people don't follow everything in a particular religion. You never said certain things in the religion bothered you, it sounded as if you were saying in general, the whole religion is bad. I don't really care about the Bible, but the basic teachings of Christianity are things everyone should try and live by. (Besides the whole Jesus thing) |
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Posts: 5854 (05/25/2009 2:14 AM) |
The original pledge ,written by a Christian, does not contain a reference to god. That was added later after lobbying by the Knights of Columbus (Catholic
men's group) and Protestants. As an aside, the author of the pledge was a socialist.
God on the money was put there after lobbying by Christians during the Civil War. In God We Trust is also the nation's official motto and was passed as an anti -Communism measure. They stupidly believed that adding 'god' to everything would prevent Communism. So yes, it should be removed. The original motto was "E Pluribus Unum" ("from many, one"). Why not go back to that?! "god" can be anything though. I disagree. It's quite obvious that the god mentioned in America is Christian given the history. Do you feel alienated? Do you feel guilty? I don't know why, if you were comfortable in your disbelief in God, you'd care at all. My dad is an atheist and he doesn't feel alienated. Unfortunately many Christians today think that building monuments to god and putting his name on everything makes them more pious. Instead of living the Christian life, they build idols. It's one thing to erect a large cross on private property, it's quite another to print a religious message on the national currency. In this case, Christians falsely portray removing god from governmental functions as a restriction to practicing their faith. It has nothing to do with being fragile in one's non-belief. Once you allow one religion a foot in the door, you may find yourself having to allow others in as well, further eroding the secular framework of the country. For example, the UK now allows Sharia civil courts because they previously allowed Jewish ones. Religious moderates may be fine, but it's the fanatics that make and enforce the laws once the religion gains power. Liberals that fold like an accordian to Muslim demands seem to forget this.
. I wonder do the people that feel this way also feel like they should protest to be able to work on days where religious holidays are observed and their jobs give them time off. Are some offended by Christmas presents? Or like...does anyone want to make the USPS bring them mail on Sunday? How far does this need for separation of church and state REALLY go? Private businesses have the right to set their own schedules. If nobody is going to shop on a certain day, then the business isn't going to lose money by opening up. Lots of people already work Sundays and holidays. Also secular people may have parties and other family events to attend. People may not believe in the Pagan and Christian aspects of Yule, but they still put up a tree, exchange gifts, and have family meals. As for governmental operations, I doubt they want to incur the expense of being open an extra day. But if they were to do that, it would be no different than working for a private business. Blue laws certainly should be abolished. There is no secular reason why alcohol and other items are restricted or cannot be purchased on Sundays.
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Posts: 10880 (05/25/2009 2:19 AM) Friendliest JJBer '09
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Eh don't care. That dollar will end up in a stripper's g-string anyway
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Posts: 3670 (05/25/2009 3:05 AM) |
Personally I say no because I'm a christian. I think we're a blessed country and the words "in God we trust" has meaning to me.
However I do understand that some might have a problem with it. |
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Posts: 6455 (05/25/2009 9:05 AM) |
rokhas1yummybumbum wrote:You are an idiot, that is not the point at all. I am quite comfortable with my belief system. I could just as easily say if Christians were comfortable in their belief of God, they wouldn't need to cling to secular mentions of him. My point is that the inclusion of Under God violates our Constitutional principles, it was put in during the 50's to alienate atheists as communists, and it also violates the tenets of Christianity, so there is really no valid reason for it to stay. |
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Posts: 49831 (05/25/2009 9:09 AM) |
Yes, they should. We do not have an official religion, and we shouldn't have one. There are people with all different religions that don't believe in
the "god" that's being referenced, and there are people with no religion. They should be respected in their own country.
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