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BlackStilettos		#21	[-]
Posts: 23672 (01/10/2009 5:14 PM) JJB Fashionista '09 Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	ClubSoda8 wrote: I prefer numbers: Unemployment rate for bachelor-degree holders, 2001: 2.2% Unemployment rate for high-school graduates, 2001: 4.2% http://www.forbes.com/200...x_dd_0728mondaymatch.html Adults with a bachelor's degree average over $20,000 a year more than those with only a high school diploma, according to new Census data: http://money.cnn.com/2006...e/census_degree/index.htm Despite recent high-profile layoffs of bankers, accountants and other highly educated workers, college graduates are faring much better than the labor force as a whole. For December, their unemployment rate was 3.7 percent, compared with 7.2 percent for everyone regardless of academic pedigree. The reason is simple: A degree usually leads to higher-paying, more stable jobs. And if that job goes away, a highly educated worker can always take a step down the career ladder. Or, they may not have to. http://www.google.com/hos...O4YKp5pt_1xVmvDAD95KECOG0 Ok? None of this is new information, and I never once refuted that college grads make more than high school grads. They obviously do. I wouldn't be in college working my ass off if I didn't believe that. I just do not buy that a college is the be all, end all.
MuppetGrrl		#22	[-]
Posts: 72327 (01/10/2009 5:32 PM) JJB Debater '03 Most Intelligent '04 '06 Grammar Cop '05 Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	I don't know what a 3/4 tier school is. I have to say that I was shocked (and kind of insulted, too) that I heard women in NYC complaining that their kids' high schools only had a "10% Ivy League rate." Why does that even matter? George Bush went to an Ivy League school, and look at how he turned out. I'm a 12-year product of public schools, attended a small private college, and I'm better off than a lot of folks because I'm me, not because I went to a "top tier" school, whatever that is. As for college vs. no degree, I'd always say college is on average better. Whether it's a state school, community college or Ivy League, any post-high school education is better than none, if just because you should keep learning. When I'm driving along 35 going to my ranch for Christmas, I am always so curious at the individuals attending Southwestern Adventist University. There is just no way they are getting a quality education there, and it makes me sad because they're probably like "yay! I'm the first person in my family to go to college!" but they might as well not have wasted their money. I've heard you say some snobby things, but I think that tops it.
MoralDesert		#23	[-]
Posts: 3570 (01/10/2009 5:35 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	MuppetGrrl wrote: I don't know what a 3/4 tier school is. I have to say that I was shocked (and kind of insulted, too) that I heard women in NYC complaining that their kids' high schools only had a "10% Ivy League rate." Why does that even matter? George Bush went to an Ivy League school, and look at how he turned out. I'm a 12-year product of public schools, attended a small private college, and I'm better off than a lot of folks because I'm me, not because I went to a "top tier" school, whatever that is. As for college vs. no degree, I'd always say college is on average better. Whether it's a state school, community college or Ivy League, any post-high school education is better than none, if just because you should keep learning. When I'm driving along 35 going to my ranch for Christmas, I am always so curious at the individuals attending Southwestern Adventist University. There is just no way they are getting a quality education there, and it makes me sad because they're probably like "yay! I'm the first person in my family to go to college!" but they might as well not have wasted their money. I've heard you say some snobby things, but I think that tops it. He...became President?
mshinda		#24	[-]
Posts: 5949 (01/10/2009 5:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	What Muppet said. I'm too old for this stuff. So many things at this point make me wanna say, "Wait until you get older, you'll see."
BlackStilettos		#25	[-]
Posts: 23674 (01/10/2009 5:37 PM) JJB Fashionista '09 Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	ClubSoda8 wrote: BlackStilettos wrote: ClubSoda8 wrote: I prefer numbers: Unemployment rate for bachelor-degree holders, 2001: 2.2% Unemployment rate for high-school graduates, 2001: 4.2% http://www.forbes.com/200...x_dd_0728mondaymatch.html Adults with a bachelor's degree average over $20,000 a year more than those with only a high school diploma, according to new Census data: http://money.cnn.com/2006...e/census_degree/index.htm Despite recent high-profile layoffs of bankers, accountants and other highly educated workers, college graduates are faring much better than the labor force as a whole. For December, their unemployment rate was 3.7 percent, compared with 7.2 percent for everyone regardless of academic pedigree. The reason is simple: A degree usually leads to higher-paying, more stable jobs. And if that job goes away, a highly educated worker can always take a step down the career ladder. Or, they may not have to. http://www.google.com/hos...O4YKp5pt_1xVmvDAD95KECOG0 Ok? None of this is new information, and I never once refuted that college grads make more than high school grads. They obviously do. I wouldn't be in college working my ass off if I didn't believe that. I just do not buy that a college is the be all, end all. Maybe not for some people, but we're talking about how it's better for the AVERAGE Americans. I was referring to your post that the average person does not need a degree to be better off. Fair enough.
MuppetGrrl		#26	[-]
Posts: 72328 (01/10/2009 5:38 PM) JJB Debater '03 Most Intelligent '04 '06 Grammar Cop '05 Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Good point, MoralDesert. Maybe if he hadn't gotten into the Ivy League on his parents' legacy he'd have ended up just owning baseball teams. Even more proof that Ivy League schools aren't always the best thing for the world.
MoralDesert		#27	[-]
Posts: 3575 (01/10/2009 5:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	MuppetGrrl wrote: Good point, MoralDesert. Maybe if he hadn't gotten into the Ivy League on his parents' legacy he'd have ended up just owning baseball teams. Even more proof that Ivy League schools aren't always the best thing for the world. Ah, but nobody is arguing that Ivy Leagues provide a better education -- just better opportunities. We're never going to see a President that graduated from "University" of Phoenix.
MuppetGrrl		#28	[-]
Posts: 72330 (01/10/2009 5:46 PM) JJB Debater '03 Most Intelligent '04 '06 Grammar Cop '05 Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	I don't know about that. I kind of doubt the concept of looking down on someone who's attending a lower-tier college is based on "Oh, I can't believe she's going there. She'll have so fewer opportunities." Maybe they are, though, and they're snobs because no one "important" attended the school. McKenna's certainly bringing the quality of education into play. It swings both ways.
mshinda		#29	[-]
Posts: 5950 (01/10/2009 5:48 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	MoralDesert wrote: He...became President? This is the very reason why I'm too old for this. At some point, you look around you and really take stock of what it means to have lived a good successful life. Is it defined by your salary? Your job titles? The size of your home? Because I've had really big all of those things. And few of them in retrospect were due to the college I attended, but rather the person I am as contributed to by so MANY things in my life. Or is it other things: How many people's lives have you touched positively (and negatively)? Did you love and and were you loved back deeply and well? Did you raise happy, healthy children who grew up well-adjusted and still want to talk to you and don't destest and blame you for fucking them up? How much time did you spend happy and how much time did you waste on silly shit that in the end really doesn't matter? I can answer some of those questions at this point, and none of them had fuck-all to do with the college I attended. Success at 20, 25 and 40 (er, not that I know) can mean very different things. And when you start talking about how college tiers or however you put it factor in, it can get kind of laughable. But whatever, tawlk amongst yaselves.... (I sound like Benjamin Button or some shit )
ipodconga		#30	[-]
Posts: 13441 (01/10/2009 5:48 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	I absolutely don't look down on people who don't go to college. Some really smart people have been unable to afford it or don't get the opportunity. I consider myself very fortunate to have been able to get a degree, and now to be in graduate school.
MuppetGrrl		#31	[-]
Posts: 72331 (01/10/2009 5:49 PM) JJB Debater '03 Most Intelligent '04 '06 Grammar Cop '05 Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Are you being sarcastic? You actually used the phrase "quality of education"!
Paiger171		#32	[-]
Posts: 8524 (01/10/2009 5:49 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	cant stop the beat wrote: ClubSoda8 wrote: And I believe they do. But our definitions of doing "well" is probably different. I don't even think just an under graduate degree is enough these days. Also, I think job security comes into factor and those with professional jobs that require degrees have more job security. Undergraduate is one word It should: our definitions of doing "well" are probably.. And what kind of phrase is "comes into factor"? Your degrees didn't do much for you. ouch I think degrees matter in some situations. My husband, however, seems like he was born to be a technical analyst. It is a talent of his, and he has been working on computers since he was 12. He only has an associate (but is pursuing a bachelors) and is doing very "well"--especially for his young age.
BlackStilettos		#33	[-]
Posts: 23675 (01/10/2009 5:49 PM) JJB Fashionista '09 Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	mshinda wrote: MoralDesert wrote: He...became President? This is the very reason why I'm too old for this. At some point, you look around you and really take stock of what it means to have lived a good successful life. Is it defined by your salary? Your job titles? The size of your home? Because I've had really big all of those things. And few of them in retrospect were due to the college I attended, but rather the person I am as contributed to by so MANY things in my life. Or is it other things: How many people's lives have you touched positively (and negatively)? Did you love and and were you loved back deeply and well? Did you raise happy, healthy children who grew up well-adjusted and still want to talk to you and don't destest and blame you for fucking them up? How much time did you spend happy and how much time did you waste on silly shit that in the end really doesn't matter? I can answer some of those questions at this point, and none of them had fuck-all to do with the college I attended. Success at 20, 25 and 40 (er, not that I know) can mean very different things. And when you start talking about how college tiers or however you put it factor in, it can get kind of laughable. But whatever, tawlk amongst yaselves.... (I sound like Benjamin Button or some shit ) Now, you know better than to up the conversation like this.
MoralDesert		#34	[-]
Posts: 3577 (01/10/2009 5:50 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	MuppetGrrl wrote: I don't know about that. I kind of doubt the concept of looking down on someone who's attending a lower-tier college is based on "Oh, I can't believe she's going there. She'll have so fewer opportunities." Maybe they are, though, and they're snobs because no one "important" attended the school. McKenna's certainly bringing the quality of education into play. It swings both ways. McKenna depends on her mother to get her through life. I worked really, really hard in school to get into a quality institution -- but I'd be fooling myself if I said my school provides anything more than a marginally better education -- if that. I decided on a name-recognizable school (definitely not Ivy League!!) because it's name recognizable and I thought it would provide more opportunities. It's funny because one of my close friends went to a school that I promise you've never heard of, and is one of the most well-educated people I know. Not only that, but she is immensely successful and literally every single person I've met who went to that school is also incredibly successful. It's stupid to look down on lower tier schools, but not so stupid to assume that Ivy League schools provide better opportunities.
ipodconga		#35	[-]
Posts: 13442 (01/10/2009 5:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	mshinda wrote: MoralDesert wrote: He...became President? This is the very reason why I'm too old for this. At some point, you look around you and really take stock of what it means to have lived a good successful life. Is it defined by your salary? Your job titles? The size of your home? Because I've had really big all of those things. And few of them in retrospect were due to the college I attended, but rather the person I am as contributed to by so MANY things in my life. Or is it other things: How many people's lives have you touched positively (and negatively)? Did you love and and were you loved back deeply and well? Did you raise happy, healthy children who grew up well-adjusted and still want to talk to you and don't destest and blame you for fucking them up? How much time did you spend happy and how much time did you waste on silly shit that in the end really doesn't matter? I can answer some of those questions at this point, and none of them had fuck-all to do with the college I attended. Success at 20, 25 and 40 (er, not that I know) can mean very different things. And when you start talking about how college tiers or however you put it factor in, it can get kind of laughable. But whatever, tawlk amongst yaselves.... (I sound like Benjamin Button or some shit )
i eat hot peppers give me water		#36	[-]
Posts: 3079 (01/10/2009 5:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Nah, my school's not really that known nor is one of "those" schools but after these last three years, I couldn't have picked a better school.
MoralDesert		#37	[-]
Posts: 3578 (01/10/2009 5:52 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	mshinda wrote: MoralDesert wrote: He...became President? This is the very reason why I'm too old for this. At some point, you look around you and really take stock of what it means to have lived a good successful life. Is it defined by your salary? Your job titles? The size of your home? Because I've had really big all of those things. And few of them in retrospect were due to the college I attended, but rather the person I am as contributed to by so MANY things in my life. Or is it other things: How many people's lives have you touched positively (and negatively)? Did you love and and were you loved back deeply and well? Did you raise happy, healthy children who grew up well-adjusted and still want to talk to you and don't destest and blame you for fucking them up? How much time did you spend happy and how much time did you waste on silly shit that in the end really doesn't matter? I can answer some of those questions at this point, and none of them had fuck-all to do with the college I attended. Success at 20, 25 and 40 (er, not that I know) can mean very different things. And when you start talking about how college tiers or however you put it factor in, it can get kind of laughable. But whatever, tawlk amongst yaselves.... (I sound like Benjamin Button or some shit ) Obviously love and happiness factor into success, but it would be ignorant to say that money doesn't play a part, as well.
CandyGirl1411		#38	[-]
Posts: 5169 (01/10/2009 5:53 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	mshinda wrote: MoralDesert wrote: He...became President? This is the very reason why I'm too old for this. At some point, you look around you and really take stock of what it means to have lived a good successful life. Is it defined by your salary? Your job titles? The size of your home? Because I've had really big all of those things. And few of them in retrospect were due to the college I attended, but rather the person I am as contributed to by so MANY things in my life. Or is it other things: How many people's lives have you touched positively (and negatively)? Did you love and and were you loved back deeply and well? Did you raise happy, healthy children who grew up well-adjusted and still want to talk to you and don't destest and blame you for fucking them up? How much time did you spend happy and how much time did you waste on silly shit that in the end really doesn't matter? I can answer some of those questions at this point, and none of them had fuck-all to do with the college I attended. Success at 20, 25 and 40 (er, not that I know) can mean very different things. And when you start talking about how college tiers or however you put it factor in, it can get kind of laughable. But whatever, tawlk amongst yaselves.... (I sound like Benjamin Button or some shit ) Agreed! I'm still young, but have been through enough life-changing and edge-of-life experiences to know what really matters. I'd rather have a good character, be happy, and be a good human being than be able to brag about the type of education I have, all the things I can afford, the size of my home/bank account, etc.
MuppetGrrl		#39	[-]
Posts: 72332 (01/10/2009 5:55 PM) JJB Debater '03 Most Intelligent '04 '06 Grammar Cop '05 Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	I know what you're saying. I absolutely know Ivy League opens a lot of doors. It's just the snobbery that surprises me--the idea that if you don't attend what's known as the best of the best, you're throwing your education away, or you must not be as smart, or from a lower class (and therefore less deserving). But then, I didn't have as many opportunities to attend a name-recognition school, so I'm probably more defensive about it. My parents couldn't afford anything to which I didn't get a full scholarship because they were in the too much money/not enough money bracket. I didn't bother applying to the really expensive schools because I couldn't have afforded to go, anyway.
LitLMisMischief		#40	[-]
Posts: 19033 (01/10/2009 6:03 PM) Most Random '03 Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Ha.. I go to a school that constantly receives flack from various sources. Going there completely changed my life around though. I found what I wanted to do in life, learned things I never thought I would take an interest in, and actually had an amazing time doing it. So no, I will never look down on a college. If someone is getting their education and getting what they want out of it, then that's good enough for me.

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