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Edited By: texasireland 01/03/2009 4:37 PM.
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aleine23 |
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thanks what beautiful place!
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shems11 |
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JuJusSexitary34 |
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Lets lay out the reality here, because what I realized reading both sides comments in the news thread is that most of you judge but have
no real idea of exactly what is going on and are condoning both sides behavior in a very uneducated and bias way which makes the arguments and observations completely invalid. Here are some straight up facts. if you don't beleive them, look them up and if I made a mistake that can be proven wrong with solid evidence, please let me know and I will correct it but as far as I have learned from all the classes I have taken (Arab-Israeli conflict is one of my areas of study), these are the facts. In reality, Israel is the only democratic state in the Middle East. It is surrounded by Arab countries such as Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon. Hizbollah and Hamas are the two terrorist organizations that have come into power in Lebanon and Palestine (Gaza) respectively. Gaza is a territory in the south of Israel which was granted to the Palestinian refugees through Israel as their own place to live (and they were also given the West Bank). Now, since Hamas rose to power in Gaza, which was a territory given to the Palestinians by Israel, no Arab country wanted to accept responsibility for them. So Israel claimed them and provided them with all their resources for life such as food, medicine, ambulances, water, and anything you can think of to help them live good and normal lives. Hamas rose to power through propaganda ( they convinced their people that they will give them the world and that Israel is bad, and must be taken out, etc.- think the way Hitler rose to power and that is in no way meant to be taken offensively, just factually). All surrounding Arab states will not accept responsibility for Hamas because no Arab country wants to be associated with a terrorist organization. The only associated area with Hamas is Iran, who supplies Hamas in Gaza with weapons and artillery sent through tunnels. As claimed by many of the Palestinian people who were granted to come into Israel, Hamas constantly takes all the resources given to them by Israel such as food, water, medicine, etc. for themselves, rarely giving their own Palestinian people anything. Hamas began building all their bases for militant and terrorist activites in Gaza on Civillian territories such as Hospitals, Schools, Mosques, etc. so that when anyone attacks Hamas bases for terror, they will hit their women and children as well as other innocent civilians and then be able to use this for Propoganda. Israel has been trying to negotiate peace with Palestinians but since they are controlled by Hamas, all offers of negotiation such as that of a two-state solution(splitting Israel into two states, one Palestine and one Israel, therefore granting them their own state) and so many other offers have been rejected and ignored. Palestinians, or I should say mainly Hamas which was created in the 1990's, has declined every single time and said straight up that they want all of Israel or they wont stop what they are doing. Israel has been enduring Kasam missiles and rockets being fired into their cities for 8 years from the Gaza strip. Israel has let it go mainly up until now because the rockets haven't reached any civillians except for very rare occasions. In the last 8 years, it is reported that a total of between 6,000-10,000 rockets have been fired into Israeli cities from Gaza. Now, in the past couple of months, the rockets have been reaching further and further targets, started reaching highly populated cities in Israel and began hitting civillian territories, and on sunday, it even hit a kindergarten that would have killed many children had it not been evacuated that morning. At least 10 times a day an alarm sounds in these cities which grants Israeli's 15 seconds to run for cover and then a missile falls somewhere and no one knows where. The difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel never purposely targets civillians, it is mainly attempting to go into Gaza and eliminate the bases for rocket launching and Hamas terrorist areas who fire against Israel. However, Hamas only targets civilians with their rocket firing and suicide bombings. Just imagine the U.S getting rockets fired into their cities from Canada or Mexico. The U.S would not take it sitting down, and therefore the world condoning Israel's actions is baffling because it makes you ask, what else is Israel to do? what would the U.S do? The Palestinian people are being oppressed by Hamas and used as human shields. Hamas uses their deaths of civilians as propaganda to make the world sympathize with them. The number of actual civilian deaths is never known and very often exaggerated. It is known that even with the air strikes that Israel has been attempting to fire only at Hamas, there were civilians and that Israel has a technique for that which they use to avoid hitting civilians. After the civilians are asked to leave those building so that Israel can eliminate Hamas and they dont leave, Israel fires a rocket that simply shakes a building a little bit so the civilians who are asked to leave by Israel and dont, are forced to leave through fear. When asked why they didn't leave in the first place, these Palestinians responded that they were asked by Hamas to stay where they are so they get hit by Israeli air strikes. A human life in Israel is valued to the max which is why when one person is hit in Israel, they counterattack ten times worse. However, they try to avoid civilians by sending out text messages and sending airplanes who drop notes that tell them to leave or they will get hurt. Israel warns, and since they know that many times it doesn't help, they try to avoid air strikes that kill civilians but sometimes theres nothing they can do. The general idea is that Israel wants peace, and i'm sure so do the Palestinians who are opressed by Hamas. It is sad that the Palestinians are led to believe by Hamas that war is the only answer and that they can never live peacefully side by side. If Hamas is eliminated, or at least hit hard enough so they are scared, they will stop firing missiles and finally cease fire. Israel has asked continuously for a cease-fire by Hamas so that they wont have to go in and attack or fire air-missiles, but they have openly refused and basically asked Israel to bring it on and show them what theyve got and said that they will defeat Israel. Israel does not want to go in and tried every plead for negotiations and a cease-fire because they dont want more bloodshed for both sides but Hamas doesn't want to cooperate with anyone and obviously wont stop until they are eliminated. The Palestinians need to be protected and out of Hamas' hands and only then will they be able to live in peace. Many of them are running into Israeli borders and cooperating with Israel because they understand the situation and the oppression of Hamas that is causing all the problems. This is all the time ive got for now but understand, no one wants war among the Palestinian people or Israel, but Hamas keeps pushing towards that only solution and you cant convince terrorists that there is any other way so for now, each side will do what it has to in order to defend itself and for Israel that means going into Gaza and taking care of Hamas and their people who are firing these missiles everyday, while trying their best to avoid civilian casualties. Edit: made it so you dont have to scroll sideways. Sorry about that.
Edited By: JuJusSexitary34
01/03/2009 6:42 PM.
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trixR4rabbits |
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I've been to Israel, and I agree it is a very beautiful place. The Israelis I met were wonderful and were never hateful when discussing Palestinians.
I don't know what Shems is trying to prove by hijacking this positive thread by posting one-sided photos. I could post pictures of Israelis blown up by suicide bombers or missiles, but I won't stoop to that level. Why is it okay for Hamas to attack, but Israel is not allowed to fight back? Such a double standard. I wish both sides peace and hope this can be resolved someday. JuJus explained things really well, but unfortunately not many will take the time to read it. People will go with the popular opinion without doing their own reading. |
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FashionAddict |
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i really don t think this is the right place for a post like this
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Meli |
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I'm not gonna say anything, because i think i don't want to get upset right now.
Just wanna say that what Israeli do is awful, and karma will hit them one day. What goes around comes around. |
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trixR4rabbits |
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Here are more nice photos of Israel. I don't see why this post doesn't belong. These are just photos showing another side of the country that you
won't see on the news. It wasn't a political post until someone turned it into one. There is no reason to bring hate into this thread.
Safed
The Dead Sea
As you probably know, you can float in the sea. Simply amazing.
Not to mention the Israeli girls...
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Marpessa1 |
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I'm not sure if it is the right time for this post. You can at least pay some respect to those who have relatives in Palestine. A positive post about
Israel would make them feel so bad.
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Thank you Shems11 for showing the true face of "beautiful" Israel and its IDF fucking whores and terrorists!
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JuJusSexitary34 wrote:Woman please take your money back! The classes you took, most probably at IDF training base, are just pure crap!! I was amost baffled by the bold section. Please don't force me to post graphic images of Israeli soldiers killing Palestinian children by shooting on their heads or chests. |
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thank you for posting those beautiful pictures!
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i eat hot peppers give me water |
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Lets lay out the reality here, because what I realized reading both sides comments in the news thread is that most of you judge but have This is exactly what is happening, but some people fail at seeing that and only care about what happened in the past week and not what happened that made it happened, but apparently some of us are racist for trying to imply this. |
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green lights 30 wrote:mature. |
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um, i don't know what to believe... after all. i realized a lot of what you learn can be propaganda. i just want to say that all this is very sad. i hope
that there will be a resolution and those children that survive all this can live in peace one day.
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kellsh |
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I'm afraid of whatever is going to happen in this thread.
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funnyyale26 |
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Madelyn06 wrote: Me too...I am so confused at what is going on down there. We all want this never ending war to end, but I just don't think it will ever be resolved, both sides are just too full of hate and bitterness. |
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i wanna go for the dead sea but I would be to scared to travel there
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JuJuSexitary, thank you for breaking it down for everyone...I will admit, I have not kept up with everything going on over in the middle East, but I support
Israel 100% in what they are doing to defend themselves. I was there a year ago on birthright and it was an amazing place. I felt very close to my people and
it was an all around beautiful and peaceful place. I also have a very close friend who just moved to Israel literally last week for a study abroad program. I
hope this "war" can end in peace, it is absolutely ridiculous what has been going on over there for so many years/decades!!!
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Racheltp1324 |
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shellzababe wrote:The dead sea is really cool...you can't really stay in for very long though, it is cold and your "parts" start to sting a bit. Just to let you know, it is not generally dangerous over there. You have to stay in safe areas, just don't go to the gaza strip and you are fine! By the way, the original poster...I have a lot of similar pictures from my trip a year ago! |
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Madelyn06 wrote:I would suggest not coming to OP for your information on this. |
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