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MiZZAmaNda		#61	[-]
Posts: 2779 (06/29/2009 8:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	ThaaosHoochie wrote: Those Youtube clips...wow. I've always hated that man but seeing what he left out to fit his agenda? What an asshole. I felt so bad in the first clip when Michael said that children haven't let him down and adults do. Little did he know that that man in front of him, who was pretending to be on his side, would twist and turn that interview around on him like that. I know. It's so sad.
integritycounts		#62	[-]
Posts: 1550 (06/29/2009 9:00 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	very sad
nevaehdreamz		#63	[-]
Posts: 1173 (06/29/2009 9:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	A lot of things are going to start happening now that make people see things for what they really were. I don't believe in theology or whatever...but I totally understand why people have this notion of heaven. You just want to be able to know that those that have passed are seeing the aftermath...especially if it's positive. This is ridiculous.
Sham99		#64	[-]
Posts: 21776 (06/29/2009 10:49 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	I see the interview with Martin and MJ is on Dateline now
YankieKnob11		#65	[-]
Posts: 2339 (06/30/2009 12:43 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	He should feel like a shit but more importantly, I feel like a shit now for falling for it.
BackToReality		#66	[-]
Posts: 18076 (06/30/2009 12:46 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Lets Hug It Out wrote: All this stuff just pisses me off.
Ease Your Mind		#67	[-]
Posts: 2057 (06/30/2009 12:55 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Sham99 wrote: I see the interview with Martin and MJ is on Dateline now And he was really pushing the plastic surgery thing. Now, I'm not really sure I believe he's only had 2 nose jobs and that's it. I wonder if he had permanent eye liner put on or if someone put that on every single day. The look on his face when Michael said his children were a present... And I hate to say it... and I don't know WHY... but hearing Michael say "sperm cells" is a little disturbing. I thought that the first time I saw this interview too. Maybe awkward is a better word. I know I said this before but.. MAN, his hands are huge!! lol
babydtc23		#68	[-]
Posts: 7354 (06/30/2009 2:04 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	jrngirl wrote: babydtc23, I think you have situational ethics (baby boys without foreskins=respect society, "the most loving thing you can do is share your bed with a child"=screw society). I didn't realize JJB was the no-criticize MJ zone. I didn't even say I think he did anything wrong for Christ's sake! Do you know how to read? I said ignoring society's standards is wrong, never did I say live your life according to society's standards. Your whole point is based on society's standards ALONE. No situational ethics confusion, just you not knowing basic reading and comprehension skills.
LauraN1234		#69	[-]
Posts: 3158 (06/30/2009 2:10 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	I remember being so annoyed after watching that when it first aired. It's like everything Michael did or said Martin was just such a fucking asshole about. Like when they were in Vegas and Michael showed him the old people scooter thing and said he would roam the halls on it late at night. Martins was like 'You have GOT to be kidding me...' LIKE OMG WUT A FREAKIN CREEPEERRR... is it really that big of a deal? I'd do that shit too STFU bitch.
LauraN1234		#70	[-]
Posts: 3159 (06/30/2009 2:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Also, it's pretty obvious from watching the special that MJ had problems. He reminded me of a little kid that would tell a fib and then do their damndest (sp? lol) to stick with the lie and not be caught lieing. OBVIOUSLY Michael has more plastic surgery than 2 nose jobs, and obviously he is not the biological father to any of those kids, and obviously Blankets mother is not black. Maybe some of you guys are right, maybe he didn't adopt the kids because he didn't want info leaked to protect their privacy...or maybe he wasn't that smart and he was seriously delusional and wanted so badly for everyone and himself to believe those kids are biologically his.
MiZZAmaNda		#71	[-]
Posts: 2785 (06/30/2009 2:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	YankieKnob11 wrote: He should feel like a shit but more importantly, I feel like a shit now for falling for it. I second that. It's just awful. And the way he talked to Micheal, like he was some sort of politician who had to answer for his wrongdoings. Micheal was kind enough to invite this man into his home, kind enough answer questions about his personal life, which was really no one's business. It's disgusting, and even more distrubing, no one did anything.
RollerGirl19		#72	[-]
Posts: 11353 (06/30/2009 2:48 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	babydtc23 wrote: jrngirl wrote: While I believe MJ did not do anything of a sexual nature to any kids, face it, he ruined his own reputation by being a grown man and having sleepovers with young boys. That's completely against society's rules for normal adult male behavior. Instead of listening to people who told him, 'Hey Michael, maybe you need to stop doing these kind of things," he cut them out of his life and surrounded himself with yes people. He tarnished his own reputation? I disagree. It's about the intent behind someone's decisions. His intent was only pure and that in my opinion should matter more than what people think personally. Since when do we have to live under what "society" views as acceptable? I surely don't. I think that had people not betrayed him the way he did, this would not have been viewed the way it was. I think everyone needs to take some responsibility for their own actions but in this case there were serveral people who took advantage of someone who was too kind to a fault. When it comes to children, there is more to it than society's views. If you want to use that excuse, then men everywhere should be able to share a bed with other people's children. There is an appropriate way to act around children and Michael made decisions not to always act appropriately. You can blame a shitty journalist all you want, but it doesn't change Michael's actions. And if he weren't who he is, would you be saying this about any other man you've never met? Doubtful.
babydtc23		#73	[-]
Posts: 7363 (06/30/2009 2:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Why do people insist on missing the point? Just about everyone knew Michael viewed things and especially children, innocently. You can't generalize every situation the same way, and this isn't much different. Do I agree with him doing that? No, but only because of the nasty minds of other people who thought in that sexually disgusting way, but I don't think Michael thought of it like that, so although the action of him doing that wasn't supported by many, it was that edited "documentary" that shared that info. in the way it did at the worst time that brought it to a head.. Michael trusted him, and he stabbed him the back because he knew how the world would react to what Michael thought of with such innocence. He was naive, but that doesn't mean he deserved the amount of scrutiny or money hungry people to take advantage of that part of him and minipulate his pure intentions. Edited By: babydtc23 06/30/2009 2:56 PM. Edited 1 times.
MiZZAmaNda		#74	[-]
Posts: 2786 (06/30/2009 3:13 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	RollerGirl19 wrote: babydtc23 wrote: jrngirl wrote: While I believe MJ did not do anything of a sexual nature to any kids, face it, he ruined his own reputation by being a grown man and having sleepovers with young boys. That's completely against society's rules for normal adult male behavior. Instead of listening to people who told him, 'Hey Michael, maybe you need to stop doing these kind of things," he cut them out of his life and surrounded himself with yes people. He tarnished his own reputation? I disagree. It's about the intent behind someone's decisions. His intent was only pure and that in my opinion should matter more than what people think personally. Since when do we have to live under what "society" views as acceptable? I surely don't. I think that had people not betrayed him the way he did, this would not have been viewed the way it was. I think everyone needs to take some responsibility for their own actions but in this case there were serveral people who took advantage of someone who was too kind to a fault. When it comes to children, there is more to it than society's views. If you want to use that excuse, then men everywhere should be able to share a bed with other people's children. There is an appropriate way to act around children and Michael made decisions not to always act appropriately. You can blame a shitty journalist all you want, but it doesn't change Michael's actions. And if he weren't who he is, would you be saying this about any other man you've never met? Doubtful. Obviously, we know more about Micheal than the guy down the street.
Hazeleyed Honey		#75	[-]
Posts: 5513 (06/30/2009 3:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	RollerGirl19 wrote: When it comes to children, there is more to it than society's views. If you want to use that excuse, then men everywhere should be able to share a bed with other people's children. There is an appropriate way to act around children and Michael made decisions not to always act appropriately. You can blame a shitty journalist all you want, but it doesn't change Michael's actions. And if he weren't who he is, would you be saying this about any other man you've never met? Doubtful. No one is excusing MJ's actions and innapropriate behaviour for sleepover with children. However, some of us can understand it. If a Joe Schmoe did the same thing MJ did, I would still think it is creepy as hell and unexcusable, but if he had the Peter Pan syndrome and I looked at his childhood and the trauma he suffered throughout his life, then maybe I can understand why he turned out that way. Michael was obviously mentally ill, unstable,and suffered severe psychological issues. He was a child in a grown man's body. What if he saw sleepovers as completely harmless and innocent such as him viewing himself as the child he is just having friends over for sleepovers like us kids had sleepovers with each other at night? As mature adults, we can see the wrong in it for an adult having sleepover with children. But, him as being mentally child like and truly believing he is a child like his child friends, would not view it that way. By no means does it mean that if you understand the root causes of an issue then it means that you justify it.
floacism		#76	[-]
Posts: 600 (07/05/2009 4:06 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	jrngirl wrote: While I believe MJ did not do anything of a sexual nature to any kids, face it, he ruined his own reputation by being a grown man and having sleepovers with young boys. That's completely against society's rules for normal adult male behavior. Instead of listening to people who told him, 'Hey Michael, maybe you need to stop doing these kind of things," he cut them out of his life and surrounded himself with yes people. I'm disagree with your central point, but why must people always say 'boys'? As if girls aren't children; and likewise with adults, who are there along with their children when they visit.
MissB123		#77	[-]
Posts: 1358 (07/05/2009 4:51 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Did you guys see this about Bashir? He has a brain tumor. http://www.nypost.com/seven/06092008/tv/bashir_brain_tumor_114662.htm

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