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Posts: 3984 (06/27/2009 9:42 AM) |
Yes, and it kind of disgusts me that people are saying what a wonderful person he was.
BUT. I think he had a horrible, fucked up childhood and his diddling little boys is a direct result of that. I think he was a sick man and he didn't know he was doing wrong. |
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Posts: 3950 (06/27/2009 9:53 AM) |
Sweetie1384 wrote:Because free stuff and private jets and staying in big mansions with a famous music legend? Powerful drug. There's also the "Oh, it won't happen to my kid; I'll be around all the time!" reasoning. |
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Posts: 26545 (06/27/2009 9:55 AM) JJB Fashionista '09
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TiiNyDAnCER xX wrote:I had this discussion with someone yesterday. ITA. It is no coincidence that he went into a very serious depression after the initial allegations. |
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Posts: 5402 (06/27/2009 10:27 AM) |
No, I didn't. I think Michael was just very misunderstood and he had a lot of issues. Deepak Chopra was on MSNBC ( I think) yesterday and he said that
Michael always said he wanted to be around kids because they were the only ones who were nice to him. I just think he never really grew up and he tried to
relive his childhood during adulthood and it made him come off to people as very strange. It's hard for someone like me who grew up with two fairly normal
parents in a regular home to understand what he went through. I grew up playing outside, having sleepovers, eating candy and everything else kids do and he
grew up getting beat and performing like every single day. I don't think I could ever understand what made him the way he was, but I really don't
believe he would have hurt anyone. And all I know beyond that is I'm gonna miss the hell out of him.
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Posts: 40314 (06/27/2009 10:29 AM) Best Fan Fic Writer '08 |
What the whole thing proved to me was not that he was or wasn't a paedophile, but that an accusation is enough to render you guilty in the eyes of the
world. Mud well and truly sticks.
I've seen a lot of people online over the last few days asking "why is anybody upset that a paedophile is dead?" Clearly, people firmly believe that he was, and it's definitely not on the basis of incontrovertible evidence because as all the links provided in this article proved, there is a lot of room for doubt. All it took was a finger pointed coupled with the fact that Michael was very eccentric to damn him in the eyes of the world for the rest of his life. |
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Posts: 497 (06/27/2009 10:31 AM) |
Smallville78 wrote:Elvis didn't have an alarm or anything, but it was well known by all staff and people who lived there that you NEVER EVER went into that room. Every window was also covered in thick black fabric. It is also well documented that Michael was slightly paranoid and with the over zealousness of some fans (didn't Joey McIntyre once tell a story about a fan hiding in the shower of his hotel room?).....it's not that hard to believe that he may have been surprised a few times in his room, either hotel or private home. This was a big part of the problem...people tried to use 'general' rationalizations for someone who lived a very different life.YES....so much agreement. I know people are very guarded and angry and have deeply set opinions about whether or not he was a pedophile....I have gotten into many arguments with my mother over it since she hands down believes he did it....but if you would read a few things, you may not be so deeply set in that opinion. After reading a few of the things Ari posted last night, I am ashamed of the media in this country and what they did to him. NONE of the stuff refuting those boys was EVER reported on (or if it was it was a side note at the end of a story where they'd just bashed the shit out of Michael), but I bet a lot of people would like to know that Jordan's father was that big of an asshole to his own son. |
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Posts: 9637 (06/27/2009 10:35 AM) |
Did I ever believe it? Yes.
His lifestyle was questionable, out of the norm...but no, I don't think he did it either time. |
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Posts: 62388 (06/27/2009 10:37 AM) |
I thought there may have been the possibility that he had done it. But mostly I just thought that his fucked up childhood caused him to have extremely
inappropriate relationships with kids so he could live through them.
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Posts: 6268 (06/27/2009 10:39 AM) |
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Posts: 22427 (06/27/2009 10:41 AM) |
I'm really uncertain. His life was so bizarre that I wouldn't pass it of as a false accusation right away, but I never met the man. He was just so
strange, it's sad.
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Posts: 6279 (06/27/2009 10:56 AM) |
AlwaysSomeoneElse wrote:This. |
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Posts: 4563 (06/27/2009 11:01 AM) |
We'll never know the whole truth but Michael was guilty of making the same mistakes over and over again. After the first incident, he should have not been
around young boys. Childlike or not, wanting to help or not, when you are in the situation he was in, you remove yourself from it. He wouldn't and too many
people made excuses for him.
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Certainly Not Dcutie |
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Posts: 16122 (06/27/2009 11:14 AM) |
I think the things he admitted to were bad enough... I don't think he purposely tried to hurt anyone though.
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Posts: 1104 (06/27/2009 11:17 AM) |
June 2010 wrote: I agree with this. I know we will never know for sure, but in my eyes, you don't give someone millions of dollars if you are innocent, regardless of how much money you have. |
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Posts: 29893 (06/27/2009 11:27 AM) Chris Fanatic '03 |
I agree that if he ever did anything wrong, it was unintentional. But it just seems fishy for people to go after the biggest figure and hit them with one of
the worst crimes. I would like to think that Michael was not dumb enough to do what he was accused of, just because of the fact that it would obviously come
out eventually.
But after hearing Liz Taylors phone call, saying how shit is about to go down. It makes me wonder if his 'handlers' weren't crooks and might have had their own pay offs in setting shit up? Like everyone else said, I don't think we will ever know the truth. If he did infact do those things, than unfortunately for him he is paying for them now. But hopefully he's in a good place. |
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Posts: 38760 (06/27/2009 11:34 AM) Most Dramatic '07 |
Valerie Me wrote:Agreed! However, I think he should be remembered for his music instead, even though I think half of them are true. 
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Posts: 16012 (06/27/2009 11:43 AM) |
Yes.
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Posts: 40315 (06/27/2009 11:44 AM) Best Fan Fic Writer '08 |
blindpilot wrote: 1) You canNOT compare Michael and OJ. OJ got off because of fame and a shark of a lawyer who played the jury like a violin. Michael - the 1st time, he never faced criminal charges at all. The Chandlers sued him and they settled out of court. That has nothing to do with fame or hotshot lawyers, that happens everyday in civil suits whether you're famous or not. The second time Michael got off because the prosecution case was shoddy and the witnesses/accusers kept contradicting themselves. That isn't anything to do with fame either - unless you count it in a indirect way that the DA was so determined to succeed in prosecuting Michael this time he got desperate and in doing so lost the plot. I mean, the prosecution had Wade Robson on the stand and were trying to convince him he'd been molested while he laughed at them. That was never going to be good enough for a conviction, and not because Michael's a celebrity. 2) As for "if you're innocent you don't"... it's insane to me that people persist in the rather silly misconception that innocent people always behave in a particular way. That they can never do things which appear guilty, that they will always fight to the last to clear their names on principle and that they have nothing to hide or fear if they're innocent. I'm sorry, but while that would be a beautiful world to live in it's not the real one. Aside from the fact that people are individuals and at the best of times react differently to things, in the real world innocent people sometimes get found guilty, or even if they don't their lives get wrecked while the courts dig through them. In the real world, sometimes people just want it to go away as fast as they can make it go away. In the real world, innocent people have reason to fear the court system. Sad, but true. It's the same as somebody pleading guilty to a lesser offence despite being innocent because they're afraid of a jury not believing them if they get tried and gettign worse punishment as a result. Trust me, that happens too. Michael Jackson at the time was insanely wealthy - 20 mil was a drop in the ocean to him, but the court case would have been a media frenzy (as the Arvizo one later was) and would have splashed his shit all over the front pages of every newspaper. They would have dug through everything and his career and reputation were at stake as well as his privacy. He really would not have been the only person in the world who would have thought "well, since I can afford this it's got to be less trouble doing it this way than fighting on principle." It's just that he apparently failed to consider that many people would read guilt into his actions and that when you're world famous you can't just move somewhere nobody knows about it and start over. Now, I'm not saying that's what he actually did, of course I couldn't possibly know, but I'm just saying it's as possible as the 'I'm guilty and I need to hide it' scenario. You really cannot assume that no innocent person would ever pay to make such a problem go away or that there's no possible motivation for an innocent person to behave in ways that suggest guilt. |
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Posts: 5268 (06/27/2009 1:53 PM) |
Damnit, JJB ate my reply.
Honestly, we'll never know unless new evidence comes out now that he's dead, but IMO, yes. There's just too much smoke for there not to be flames. The fact that parents still let their children be around him is not necessarily a mark in his favor. Good parents wouldn't let their children be around a molester, no. But not all parents are good. There are people out there that would willingly sacrifice their children to gain a buck. And there are parents out there that think nothing bad would happen to their children because they'd be there to prevent it. Not to mention, there are parents that probably honestly thought that MJ hadn't done anything wrong, just like many of the parents posting in this thread. So the fact that people continued to allow their children to be around Michael doesn't necessarily indicate that he wasn't a molester. |
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Oh reallly |
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Posts: 2266 (06/27/2009 1:59 PM) |
Yes I think there is some truth to them, what I don't think we will EVER know.
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I think some of the allegations are true
and some are false.
