Judge Rules Prop. 8 Donations Be Made Public
CBNNews.com - Same-sex marriage opponents harassed for supporting Proposition 8 will not be allowed to keep records of their donations to the ballot measure
anonymous.
U.S. District Judge Morrison England decided, Thursday, to uphold a law allowing all political donations over $100 to be made public.
After voters passed Prop 8 to end same-sex marriage in California Nov. 4, a list of donors and their location was released by the state and published on
several Web sites.
"If there ever needs to be sunshine on a particular issue, it's a ballot measure," England said.
A committee for Protect Marriage, the campaign that sponsored Prop 8, filed the lawsuit Jan. 8 after several supporters said they were harassed and even
threatened once their names were revealed as donors.
By requiring disclosure, "the government is getting in the middle and saying, 'Here are the people to go after,'" Richard Coleson, a lawyer
for the committee, said.
He argued that the state's $100 disclosure requirement adopted in 1974 should be overturned, raised to accommodate inflation, or not apply to Prop 8.
contributions.
Still, Deputy Attorney General Zackery Morazzini said ruling in favor of the group could carry over into other controversial issues and "keep the entire
California electorate in the dark as to who was funding these ballot measures."
Because of England's ruling, a list of those who donated to Prop 8 within two weeks of the election or afterward will be publicly released in a report
Monday.
Campaign spokesman Frank Schubert said the decision "puts 1,600 people in harm's way."
Protect Marriage plans to appeal the ruling to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.</a>
With another perspective:
CBS5.com - A federal judge on Thursday denied a request to keep the names of donors to California's anti-gay marriage initiative secret, saying the public
has a right to know who's giving money to state ballot measures.
Supporters of the initiative, which was approved by voters in November, had sought a preliminary injunction to hide the identities of those who contributed to
their campaign.
They had asked the judge to block disclosure of late donors, who gave in the final weeks of the campaign or shortly after the election. The state is scheduled
to release that report on Monday.
They also asked him to order the state to remove the names of all contributors to Proposition 8 that already had been posted on the secretary of state's
Web site.
U.S. District Judge Morrison England Jr. sided with the state. In his ruling from the bench, England said California's campaign disclosure laws are
intended to protect the public and are especially important during expensive initiative campaigns.
"If there ever needs to be sunshine on a political issue, it is with a ballot measure," England said.
He said many campaign committees have vague names, obscuring their intent. The public would have no way of knowing who is behind the campaigns unless they can
see who's giving money, he said.
"This clearly is a victory for the people of California and disclosure. The commission will continue to vigorously defend any suit brought against
disclosure of campaign statements," said Roman Porter, executive director of the California Fair Political Practices Commission, which enforces the
state's campaign disclosure laws.
Proposition 8 overturned a 2008 state Supreme Court ruling allowing gay marriage.
Supporters said public disclosure of their financial supporters had put the donors at risk. They argued that the initiative's opponents used the public
lists to issue death threats, boycott businesses, accost people at their homes and engage in other forms of harassment.
Another 1,600 people will be put at risk of harassment or reprisals when the postelection campaign finance reports are released on Monday, said Frank Schubert,
co-manager of the Yes on 8 campaign.
Disclosing donors' names will chill the ability of gay marriage opponents to run any campaigns related to gay marriage in the future, he said.
The judge said he didn't agree that the plaintiffs had a probability of success in court. He also said they had not proven that they would suffer
"irreparable injury" if he did not grant the preliminary injunction.
The judge planned to issue a more detailed, written ruling later.
The groups that backed Proposition 8, ProtectMarriage.com and the National Organization for Marriage California, said they did not immediately know whether
they would appeal.
State attorneys said the plaintiffs did not qualify for a narrow exception to campaign-donation disclosure laws that the U.S. Supreme Court carved out in 1982.
That ruling was designed to protect tiny groups such as the Ohio Socialist Workers Party, which had a history of being harassed by both government officials
and individuals, the state said.
"This exception does not apply to a large, well-financed organization representing the views of several mainstream organizations such as the plaintiffs,
who had over 36,000 contributors, garnered nearly $30 million in campaign contributions and whose ballot measure was passed by a vote of over 52 percent of the
voters," Scott Hallabrin, general counsel for the FPPC, said in a statement.
Granting the exemption sought by the plaintiffs could lead to a situation in which no campaign committee involved in a fight over a controversial ballot
measure could be required to disclose its donors because of the potential for some form of harassment.
That would deny voters the right to know who was behind those campaigns, the state said in court papers.
The state also questioned whether donating to the yes-on-Proposition 8 campaign was likely to trigger harassment and discourage people from donating to any
future battle over same-sex marriage.
Only one of the nine incidents of harassment cited by the plaintiffs involved a person who just contributed to the ballot measure. The others had engaged in
other types of support, such as speaking at campaign rallies, posting yard signs or using bumper stickers.
Only one of the targets of harassment cited by the plaintiffs said they would not donate again if there was another ballot fight over gay marriage.
Most of the activity the plaintiffs called harassment was actually protected free speech, such as threats of boycotts, the state said.
Proposition 8 supporters argued that the contribution disclosure exemption created by the U.S. Supreme Court did not just cover small political parties.
"Certainly the state has an interest in requiring disclosure," said Richard Coleson, an attorney representing the plaintiffs. "But there has to
be an exception when there is a reasonable probability of reprisal."
He said the lawsuit was filed in federal court, rather than state court, because it raised First Amendment issues.
Schubert, of the Yes on 8 campaign, predicted the anti-gay marriage groups would have a better chance of showing that they deserved an exemption from
disclosure laws when they are able to bring in more evidence of harassment during a full trial of their lawsuit.
Thursday's ruling on a preliminary injunction was just a first step in a long legal process that could end up in appeals courts, he said.
"This fight is really about how donors to a future campaign (against gay marriage) will be treated," Schubert said. "We are committed to
ensuring that supporters of traditional marriage can do so without fear of intimidation and harassment."
Supporters of gay marriage said it was hypocritical for Proposition 8 backers to bring the legal challenge. During the campaign, the initiative's
supporters threatened boycotts against businesses that failed to donate to their effort, said Fred Karger, founder of Californians Against Hate, a gay-rights
group that has been listing the names of Proposition 8 donors online and in some cases organizing boycotts against them.
"Now they complain of harassment?" he said.
(Source - CBN)
(Source- CBS)
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In all honesty, I do not agree with anyone who would give 'death threats' or harass in a way to harm people. If you want to boycott the businesses that
helped in making something as horrible as Prop. 8 pass then by all means.
Of course it is very interesting to see these people now going 'But we'll get harassed for it!' when those very same people are the ones yelling obscene phrases and the such at happy gay or lesbian couples. What goes around comes around, I guess. |
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Still, Deputy Attorney General Zackery Morazzini said ruling in favor of the group could carry over into other controversial issues and "keep the entire California electorate in the dark as to who was funding these ballot measures."Exactly! What evidence did the committee give that made them think an exception should be made in this case? The law's been in place since 1974, so all those who contributed more than $100 knew their names would be made public. Why should they be able to go back and change things now? |
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Most of the activity the plaintiffs called harassment was actually protected free speech, such as threats of boycotts, the state said.Your honor, we don't wanna give them any rights but we still want them to spend their money here. If they know we think they're the scum of the earth, they might not come here no more. *whine whine whine* I love people that only have "beliefs" when it doesn't effect their wallets. |
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I want to know who they are so I can boycott their businesses.
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folkbitts wrote: Same here! |
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I find it interesting that you'd boycott a business, but still support a president that doesn't believe in gay marriage.
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blairboy |
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He doesn't beleive in marriage, but supports Civil Unions. That's FAR more equality than what we've gotten before. He's also has several things
he wishes to do to help the GLBT community.
And sadly, if he came out and said he supports Gay Marriage, he probably wouldn't have gotten elected. Not to mention, he's done NOTHING to take away GLBT rights, these business have. So of course people would boycott them. |
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If my memory serves me right, the LDS church also supports Civil Unions, but not marriage. If the businesses are LDS owned, would you boycott those, also?
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blairboy |
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The LDS church is one of the biggest reasons Prop 8 passed.
Mormons Emerge as Dominant Force in California Marriage Discrimination Fight If it comes down to a LDS person gave money to have Prop 8 passed, then yeah. Boycott away. And while, sure the Church may support Civil Unions now, after the fact, which I'm not buying. They still donated $$$ to pass this ban told it's members to donate ect ect. Suddenly saying SURE have a Civil Union after you took away peoples rights doesn't exempt you for nada in my book. Personally I think they are doing that to save face and stop some of the backlash that's going their way. And it's not about Religion or whatever. If someone's going to take a stand (as those morons did) and help pass a stupid Prop to stop people from basically having the same rights, then they deserve to have the same done to them. IF you don't want people messing in your life or lively hood. Stay out of ours. Simple as that. If Obama was to come out and say NO rights AT all for GLBT people, I wouldn't be supporting him. But he hasn't he actually supports us more than most people. That's why the majority of GLBT people support him.
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Paula3000 |
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Here's what I think... first of all, I don't know why Prop. 8 was put up for election in the first place. You don't vote on human rights.
Second, you can't (or shouldn't) condem someone for their religious beliefs - I don't care if it's Mormon, Scientology, Catholic or Muslim, but it ended up being the Mormons that spoke the loudest so they're the ones catching heat. I don't know how this is going to turn out, but I'm fairly sure it will be over-turned and not allowed to be voted on again. Just my unwanted 2 cents. |
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blairboy |
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I agree with you about everything you said. I don't care who believes in what. But when you take stops to stop people from being happy? That's when I
have a problem with it. And that goes for Religious people as well. Preach how you want, but let me live my life as I see fit.
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There is a difference between people quietly supporting Prop 8 and the hateful people who yell and have rude signs. If you are mad at people for being
violently against gay rights, then you have to be mad at other people for violently harassing anyone who has supported Prop 8.
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blairboy |
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Harassing people is never kosher, no matter what side. But I think Gays and Lesbians have a right to be a little angry when their rights get taken away.
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babybluing16 wrote:I must respectfully disagree. Prop 8 was intended to take away rights that gays and lesbians ALREADY HAD. The only difference of degree is in exactly how hateful people behaved in their support of it, but regardless, supporting the measure was a hateful act. If your religion tells you that homosexuality is wrong, then live your life with that belief. But when you use that belief to take away equal rights for others, that's wrong. |
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